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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-19T16:03:53Z

Dan: /* THESSALONIKI */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have their own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros.) Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis and Ubers are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. Street and place names may have more than one English translation. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about. “Nai”, often pronounced “ Neh” means yes, …not No! The word for No is oxi.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is occasionally trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO. If you tire of the long mamasan speech and know the score, just say “néh neh” (yes yes) to hurry her up.
All are ‘independent’ — there is no rule beyond the 20 euros ‘normal sex’ which means OW and FS. Officially 10mins, longer if she likes you and isn’t too busy. Examples. Diane, Romanian, 65 Filis, says she’s new, full touching and fingering almost GFE. Emily, 11a Filis lane, Romanian, only accepts doggy position. Maria, 13 Fokias, Albanian, speccy, unrushed. Uncovered is rare, anal only if mentioned by the mamasan.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

==='''THESSALONIKI'''===
The RLD district, a collection of studios, is centred on the junction of Frixou and Nikiforos Ouranou, and up to Empedokleous. Rates vary from 30 to 40 and above. Haggling down by 10 Euros is possible in some. This is slightly away from the centre. The easiest way to get there is by a No.31 bus, taxi or Uber. Contrary to some reports it is NOT close to the railway station. These are brightly lit, obviously sex establishments with names like Golden Lips. Most are enormous inside but generally only one girl working.
(GoogleMaps tends to show both the old and the new railway station: the RLD is close to the old one, but a considerable walk from the new one.) Many of the studios are listed on https://findgirls.gr

If you visit at night, the RLD looks hidden from the main road (called 26th October) which is where the bus drops you. The immediate end of Frixou is in darkness but not dangerous. If you try to walk from the SW area along Kolotti, the road off Monostiriou half a mile to the north, you will go through a short unlit road just after McDonalds. Again, safe enough though it looks dodgy.

The SWs, starting from Monastiriou, are few and far between and mostly unattractive. They can be found on the northern half of Kolotti and the roads parallel, as well as Giannitson, which intersects Kolotti.

MYTHS: Let’s get rid of a common fairy tale which has been endlessly repeated. It goes along the lines of, “walk directly out the main door of Train station, cross main road outside, turn to your left side, maybe take the first or second turn right after that. From the main road looking down you will see even in the day time some slightly faded Red Lanterns turned on outside some houses. If you walk down the street you can almost follow the circuit of them Clockwise back up to the Train station street where you started.” THAT IS ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS. The directions probably originated from the time of the old railway stations which, from the train tracks, would have been somewhere to the south and would have been a convoluted way of reaching the Frixou area described above. The present editor checked out the old directions just in case.. out of the main station door and cross the road turning left…brings you to a trio of coffee bars. Then a dirt track leading to nowt but a parking lot. The first road off to the right is Tantalou. Tantalou is a shopping area, nothing that could be a red or white light, on or off. A street that crosses at the right is called Sapfous. No RLD. The second street coming down from the main road is Prometheos. It’s also a shopping street. The area is mostly rebuilt small shops. Nothing special. If you go the end of Tantalou or Prometheos it simply takes you to a main road, Anagennisseos. It’s a main road fenced walled up on one side, shops on the other. A couple of places in a small street called Daimonos did could vaguely be described as a white light over them but they were multi-story occupied by multiple businesses, not PFP. So if you see the above quoted misdirection anywhere, please ignore.

STRIP CLUBS: there are many, mostly with a poor reputation and often empty until some sucker walks in. Open at 11pm or, one or two, at 10pm.. Fairly central to the east and south of the station (Rather than the southern tourist district). see GoogleMaps.

Getting around: GoogleMaps is ok but doesn’t seem to give public transport routes. The iPhone Maps app is somewhat better, for routes, not for times. To use a bus, just get on and stick a one euro coin in the machine (it’s actually 90cents but the machine doesn’t give change). It’s an honour system, so try not to look like a cheap tourist over 10 cents. There’s one central street starting as Monastiriou, which runs from the station, and changes its name as it curves round into the middle and lower part of the town. Thessaloniki doesn’t have a proper Metro, but one is being built and is scheduled to be operational some time in 2024.

ESCORTS: https://www.eurogirlsescort.com from about 100 Euros upward for an hour outcall.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessaloniki:''' others have said try the Kamara district (historic area), suggesting ‘white lights’ there, tending to be a bit more expensive than Athens. Any personal updates please let me know on the wiki. Vadaris area has also been mentioned for white lights; again walking through this area I’ve seen no evidence of such.
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the 20 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-19T15:34:47Z

Dan: /* THESSALONIKI */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have their own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros.) Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis and Ubers are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. Street and place names may have more than one English translation. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about. “Nai”, often pronounced “ Neh” means yes, …not No! The word for No is oxi.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is occasionally trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO. If you tire of the long mamasan speech and know the score, just say “néh neh” (yes yes) to hurry her up.
All are ‘independent’ — there is no rule beyond the 20 euros ‘normal sex’ which means OW and FS. Officially 10mins, longer if she likes you and isn’t too busy. Examples. Diane, Romanian, 65 Filis, says she’s new, full touching and fingering almost GFE. Emily, 11a Filis lane, Romanian, only accepts doggy position. Maria, 13 Fokias, Albanian, speccy, unrushed. Uncovered is rare, anal only if mentioned by the mamasan.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

==='''THESSALONIKI'''===
The RLD district, a collection of studios, is centred on the junction of Frixou and Nikiforos Ouranou, and up to Empedokleous. Rates vary from 30 to 40 and above. Haggling down by 10 Euros is possible in some. This is slightly away from the centre. The easiest way to get there is by a No.31 bus, taxi or Uber. Contrary to some reports it is NOT close to the railway station. These are brightly lit, obviously sex establishments with names like Golden Lips. Most are enormous inside but generally only one girl working.
(GoogleMaps tends to show both the old and the new railway station: the RLD is close to the old one, but a considerable walk from the new one.) Many of the studios are listed on https://findgirls.gr

If you visit at night, the RLD looks hidden from the main road (called 26th October) which is where the bus drops you. The immediate end of Frixou is in darkness but not dangerous. If you try to walk from the SW area along Kolotti, the road off Monostiriou half a mile to the north, you will go through a short unlit road just after McDonalds. Again, safe enough though it looks dodgy.

The SWs, starting from Monastiriou, are few and far between and mostly unattractive. They can be found on the northern half of Kolotti and the roads parallel, as well as Giannitson, which intersects Kolotti.

MYTHS: Let’s get rid of a common fairy tale which has been endlessly repeated. It goes along the lines of, “walk directly out the main door of Train station, cross main road outside, turn to your left side, maybe take the first or second turn right after that. From the main road looking down you will see even in the day time some slightly faded Red Lanterns turned on outside some houses. If you walk down the street you can almost follow the circuit of them Clockwise back up to the Train station street where you started.” THAT IS ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS. The directions probably originated from the time of the old railway stations which, from the train tracks, would have been somewhere to the south and would have been a convoluted way of reaching the Frixou area described above. The present editor checked out the old directions just in case.. out of the main station door and cross the road turning left…brings you to a trio of coffee bars. Then a dirt track leading to nowt but a parking lot. The first road off to the right is Tantalou. Tantalou is a shopping area, nothing that could be a red or white light, on or off. A street that crosses at the right is called Sapfous. No RLD. The second street coming down from the main road is Prometheos. It’s also a shopping street. The area is mostly rebuilt small shops. Nothing special. If you go the end of Tantalou or Prometheos it simply takes you to a main road, Anagennisseos. It’s a main road fenced walled up on one side, shops on the other. A couple of places in a small street called Daimonos did could vaguely be described as a white light over them but they were multi-story occupied by multiple businesses, not PFP. So if you see the above quoted misdirection anywhere, please ignore.

STRIP CLUBS: there are many, mostly with a poor reputation and often empty until some sucker walks in. Open at 11pm or, one or two, at 10pm.. Fairly central to the east and south of the station (Rather than the southern tourist district). see GoogleMaps.

Getting around: GoogleMaps is ok but doesn’t seem to give public transport routes. The iPhone Maps app is somewhat better, for routes, not for times. To use a bus, just get on and stick a one euro coin in the machine (it’s actually 90cents but the machine doesn’t give change). It’s an honour system, so try not to look like a cheap tourist over 10 cents. There’s one central street starting as Monastiriou, which runs from the station, and changes its name as it curves round into the middle and lower part of the town. Thessaloniki doesn’t have a proper Metro, but one is being built and is scheduled to be operational some time in 2024.

ESCORTS: https://www.eurogirlsescort.com from about 160 Euros an hour outcall.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessaloniki:''' others have said try the Kamara district (historic area), suggesting ‘white lights’ there, tending to be a bit more expensive than Athens. Any personal updates please let me know on the wiki. Vadaris area has also been mentioned for white lights; again walking through this area I’ve seen no evidence of such.
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the 20 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

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Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have their own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros.) Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis and Ubers are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. Street and place names may have more than one English translation. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about. “Nai”, often pronounced “ Neh” means yes, …not No! The word for No is oxi.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is occasionally trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO. If you tire of the long mamasan speech and know the score, just say “néh neh” (yes yes) to hurry her up.
All are ‘independent’ — there is no rule beyond the 20 euros ‘normal sex’ which means OW and FS. Officially 10mins, longer if she likes you and isn’t too busy. Examples. Diane, Romanian, 65 Filis, says she’s new, full touching and fingering almost GFE. Emily, 11a Filis lane, Romanian, only accepts doggy position. Maria, 13 Fokias, Albanian, speccy, unrushed. Uncovered is rare, anal only if mentioned by the mamasan.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

==='''THESSALONIKI'''===
The RLD district, a collection of studios, is centred on the junction of Frixou and Nikiforos Ouranou, and up to Empedokleous. Rates vary from 30 to 40 and above. Haggling down by 10 Euros is possible in some. This is slightly away from the centre. The easiest way to get there is by a No.31 bus, taxi or Uber. Contrary to some reports it is NOT close to the railway station. These are brightly lit, obviously sex establishments with names like Golden Lips. Most are enormous inside but generally only one girl working.
(GoogleMaps tends to show both the old and the new railway station: the RLD is close to the old one, but a considerable walk from the new one.) Many of the studios are listed on https://findgirls.gr

If you visit at night, the RLD looks hidden from the main road (called 26th October) which is where the bus drops you. The immediate end of Frixou is in darkness but not dangerous. If you try to walk from the SW area along Kolotti, the road off Monostiriou half a mile to the north, you will go through a short unlit road just after McDonalds. Again, safe enough though it looks dodgy.

The SWs, starting from Monastiriou, are few and far between and mostly unattractive. They can be found on the northern half of Kolotti and the roads parallel, as well as Giannitson, which intersects Kolotti.

MYTHS: Let’s get rid of a common fairy tale which has been endlessly repeated. It goes along the lines of, “walk directly out the main door of Train station, cross main road outside, turn to your left side, maybe take the first or second turn right after that. From the main road looking down you will see even in the day time some slightly faded Red Lanterns turned on outside some houses. If you walk down the street you can almost follow the circuit of them Clockwise back up to the Train station street where you started.” THAT IS ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS. The directions probably originated from the time of the old railway stations which, from the train tracks, would have been somewhere to the south and would have been a convoluted way of reaching the Frixou area described above. The present editor checked out the old directions just in case.. out of the main station door and cross the road turning left…brings you to a trio of coffee bars. Then a dirt track leading to nowt but a parking lot. The first road off to the right is Tantalou. Tantalou is a shopping area, nothing that could be a red or white light, on or off. A street that crosses at the right is called Sapfous. No RLD. The second street coming down from the main road is Prometheos. It’s also a shopping street. The area is mostly rebuilt small shops. Nothing special. If you go the end of Tantalou or Prometheos it simply takes you to a main road, Anagennisseos. It’s a main road fenced walled up on one side, shops on the other. A couple of places in a small street called Daimonos did could vaguely be described as a white light over them but they were multi-story occupied by multiple businesses, not PFP. So if you see the above quoted misdirection anywhere, please ignore.

STRIP CLUBS: there are many, mostly with a poor reputation and often empty until some sucker walks in. Open at 11pm or, one or two, at 10pm.. Fairly central to the east and south of the station (Rather than the southern tourist district). see GoogleMaps.

Getting around: GoogleMaps is ok but doesn’t seem to give public transport routes. The iPhone Maps app is somewhat better, for routes, not for times. To use a bus, just get on and stick a one euro coin in the machine (it’s actually 90cents but the machine doesn’t give change). It’s an honour system, so try not to look like a cheap tourist over 10 cents. There’s one central street starting as Monastiriou, which runs from the station, and changes its name as it curves round into the middle and lower part of the town. Thessaloniki doesn’t have a proper Metro, but one is being built and is scheduled to be operational some time in 2024.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessaloniki:''' others have said try the Kamara district (historic area), suggesting ‘white lights’ there, tending to be a bit more expensive than Athens. Any personal updates please let me know on the wiki. Vadaris area has also been mentioned for white lights; again walking through this area I’ve seen no evidence of such.
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the 20 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-19T13:51:54Z

Dan: /* Brothels */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros.) Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis and Ubers are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. Street and place names may have more than one English translation. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about. “Nai”, often pronounced “ Neh” means yes, …not No! The word for No is oxi.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is occasionally trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO. If you tire of the long mamasan speech and know the score, just say “néh neh” (yes yes) to hurry her up.
All are ‘independent’ — there is no rule beyond the 20 euros ‘normal sex’ which means OW and FS. Officially 10mins, longer if she likes you and isn’t too busy. Examples. Diane, Romanian, 65 Filis, says she’s new, full touching and fingering almost GFE. Emily, 11a Filis lane, Romanian, only accepts doggy position. Maria, 13 Fokias, Albanian, speccy, unrushed. Uncovered is rare, anal only if mentioned by the mamasan.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

==='''THESSALONIKI'''===
The RLD district, a collection of studios, is centred on the junction of Frixou and Nikiforos Ouranou, and up to Empedokleous. Rates vary from 30 to 40 and above. Haggling down by 10 Euros is possible in some. This is slightly away from the centre. The easiest way to get there is by a No.31 bus, taxi or Uber. Contrary to some reports it is NOT close to the railway station. These are brightly lit, obviously sex establishments with names like Golden Lips. Most are enormous inside but generally only one girl working.
(GoogleMaps tends to show both the old and the new railway station: the RLD is close to the old one, but a considerable walk from the new one.) Many of the studios are listed on https://findgirls.gr

If you visit at night, the RLD looks hidden from the main road (called 26th October) which is where the bus drops you. The immediate end of Frixou is in darkness but not dangerous. If you try to walk from the SW area along Kolotti, the road off Monostiriou half a mile to the north, you will go through a short unlit road just after McDonalds. Again, safe enough though it looks dodgy.

The SWs, starting from Monastiriou, are few and far between and mostly unattractive. They can be found on the northern half of Kolotti and the roads parallel, as well as Giannitson, which intersects Kolotti.

MYTHS: Let’s get rid of a common fairy tale which has been endlessly repeated. It goes along the lines of, “walk directly out the main door of Train station, cross main road outside, turn to your left side, maybe take the first or second turn right after that. From the main road looking down you will see even in the day time some slightly faded Red Lanterns turned on outside some houses. If you walk down the street you can almost follow the circuit of them Clockwise back up to the Train station street where you started.” THAT IS ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS. The directions probably originated from the time of the old railway stations which, from the train tracks, would have been somewhere to the south and would have been a convoluted way of reaching the Frixou area described above. The present editor checked out the old directions just in case.. out of the main station door and cross the road turning left…brings you to a trio of coffee bars. Then a dirt track leading to nowt but a parking lot. The first road off to the right is Tantalou. Tantalou is a shopping area, nothing that could be a red or white light, on or off. A street that crosses at the right is called Sapfous. No RLD. The second street coming down from the main road is Prometheos. It’s also a shopping street. The area is mostly rebuilt small shops. Nothing special. If you go the end of Tantalou or Prometheos it simply takes you to a main road, Anagennisseos. It’s a main road fenced walled up on one side, shops on the other. A couple of places in a small street called Daimonos did could vaguely be described as a white light over them but they were multi-story occupied by multiple businesses, not PFP. So if you see the above quoted misdirection anywhere, please ignore.

STRIP CLUBS: there are many, mostly with a poor reputation and often empty until some sucker walks in. Open at 11pm or, one or two, at 10pm.. Fairly central to the east and south of the station (Rather than the southern tourist district). see GoogleMaps.

Getting around: GoogleMaps is ok but doesn’t seem to give public transport routes. The iPhone Maps app is somewhat better, for routes, not for times. To use a bus, just get on and stick a one euro coin in the machine (it’s actually 90cents but the machine doesn’t give change). It’s an honour system, so try not to look like a cheap tourist over 10 cents. There’s one central street starting as Monastiriou, which runs from the station, and changes its name as it curves round into the middle and lower part of the town. Thessaloniki doesn’t have a proper Metro, but one is being built and is scheduled to be operational some time in 2024.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessaloniki:''' others have said try the Kamara district (historic area), suggesting ‘white lights’ there, tending to be a bit more expensive than Athens. Any personal updates please let me know on the wiki. Vadaris area has also been mentioned for white lights; again walking through this area I’ve seen no evidence of such.
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the 20 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-19T13:38:49Z

Dan:

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros.) Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis and Ubers are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. Street and place names may have more than one English translation. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about. “Nai”, often pronounced “ Neh” means yes, …not No! The word for No is oxi.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

==='''THESSALONIKI'''===
The RLD district, a collection of studios, is centred on the junction of Frixou and Nikiforos Ouranou, and up to Empedokleous. Rates vary from 30 to 40 and above. Haggling down by 10 Euros is possible in some. This is slightly away from the centre. The easiest way to get there is by a No.31 bus, taxi or Uber. Contrary to some reports it is NOT close to the railway station. These are brightly lit, obviously sex establishments with names like Golden Lips. Most are enormous inside but generally only one girl working.
(GoogleMaps tends to show both the old and the new railway station: the RLD is close to the old one, but a considerable walk from the new one.) Many of the studios are listed on https://findgirls.gr

If you visit at night, the RLD looks hidden from the main road (called 26th October) which is where the bus drops you. The immediate end of Frixou is in darkness but not dangerous. If you try to walk from the SW area along Kolotti, the road off Monostiriou half a mile to the north, you will go through a short unlit road just after McDonalds. Again, safe enough though it looks dodgy.

The SWs, starting from Monastiriou, are few and far between and mostly unattractive. They can be found on the northern half of Kolotti and the roads parallel, as well as Giannitson, which intersects Kolotti.

MYTHS: Let’s get rid of a common fairy tale which has been endlessly repeated. It goes along the lines of, “walk directly out the main door of Train station, cross main road outside, turn to your left side, maybe take the first or second turn right after that. From the main road looking down you will see even in the day time some slightly faded Red Lanterns turned on outside some houses. If you walk down the street you can almost follow the circuit of them Clockwise back up to the Train station street where you started.” THAT IS ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS. The directions probably originated from the time of the old railway stations which, from the train tracks, would have been somewhere to the south and would have been a convoluted way of reaching the Frixou area described above. The present editor checked out the old directions just in case.. out of the main station door and cross the road turning left…brings you to a trio of coffee bars. Then a dirt track leading to nowt but a parking lot. The first road off to the right is Tantalou. Tantalou is a shopping area, nothing that could be a red or white light, on or off. A street that crosses at the right is called Sapfous. No RLD. The second street coming down from the main road is Prometheos. It’s also a shopping street. The area is mostly rebuilt small shops. Nothing special. If you go the end of Tantalou or Prometheos it simply takes you to a main road, Anagennisseos. It’s a main road fenced walled up on one side, shops on the other. A couple of places in a small street called Daimonos did could vaguely be described as a white light over them but they were multi-story occupied by multiple businesses, not PFP. So if you see the above quoted misdirection anywhere, please ignore.

STRIP CLUBS: there are many, mostly with a poor reputation and often empty until some sucker walks in. Open at 11pm or, one or two, at 10pm.. Fairly central to the east and south of the station (Rather than the southern tourist district). see GoogleMaps.

Getting around: GoogleMaps is ok but doesn’t seem to give public transport routes. The iPhone Maps app is somewhat better, for routes, not for times. To use a bus, just get on and stick a one euro coin in the machine (it’s actually 90cents but the machine doesn’t give change). It’s an honour system, so try not to look like a cheap tourist over 10 cents. There’s one central street starting as Monastiriou, which runs from the station, and changes its name as it curves round into the middle and lower part of the town. Thessaloniki doesn’t have a proper Metro, but one is being built and is scheduled to be operational some time in 2024.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessaloniki:''' others have said try the Kamara district (historic area), suggesting ‘white lights’ there, tending to be a bit more expensive than Athens. Any personal updates please let me know on the wiki. Vadaris area has also been mentioned for white lights; again walking through this area I’ve seen no evidence of such.
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the 20 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-18T18:53:12Z

Dan: /* THESSALONIKI */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

==='''THESSALONIKI'''===
The RLD district, a collection of studios, is centred on the junction of Frixou and Nikiforos Ouranou, and up to Empedokleous. Rates vary from 30 to 40 and above. Haggling down by 10 Euros is possible in some. This is slightly away from the centre. The easiest way to get there is by a No.31 bus, taxi or Uber. Contrary to some reports it is NOT close to the railway station.
(GoogleMaps tends to show both the old and the new railway station: the RLD is close to the old one, but a considerable walk from the new one.) Most of the studios are listed on https://findgirls.gr

If you visit at night, the RLD looks hidden from the main road (called 26th October) which is where the bus drops you. The immediate end of Frixou is in darkness but not dangerous. If you try to walk from the SW area along Kolotti, the road off Monostiriou half a mile to the north, you will go through a short unlit road just after McDonalds. Again, safe enough though it looks dodgy.

The SWs, starting from Monastiriou, are few and far between and mostly unattractive. They can be found on the northern half of Kolotti and the roads parallel, as well as Giannitson, which intersects Kolotti.

Getting around: GoogleMaps is ok but doesn’t seem to give public transport routes. The iPhone Maps app is somewhat better, for routes, not for times. To use a bus, just get on and stick a one euro coin in the machine (it’s actually 90cents but the machine doesn’t give change). It’s an honour system, so try not to look like a cheap tourist over 10 cents. There’s one central street starting as Monastiriou, which runs from the station, and changes its name as it curves round into the middle and lower part of the town. Thessaloniki doesn’t have a proper Metro, but one is being built and is scheduled to be operational some time in 2024.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessaloniki:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). The ‘white lights’ tend to be a bit more expensive than Athens.
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the 20 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-18T15:55:13Z

Dan:

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

==='''THESSALONIKI'''===
The RLD district, a collection of studios, is centred on the junction of Frixou and Nikiforos Ouranou, and up to Empedokleous. Rates vary from 30 to 40 and above. Haggling down by 10 Euros is possible in some. This is slightly away from the centre. The easiest way to get there is by a No.31 bus, taxi or Uber. Contrary to some reports it is NOT close to the railway station.
(GoogleMaps tends to show both the old and the new railway station: the RLD is close to the old one, but a considerable walk from the new one.) Most of the studios are listed on https://findgirls.gr

If you visit at night, the RLD looks hidden from the main road (called 26th October) which is where the bus drops you. The immediate end of Frixou is in darkness but not dangerous. If you try to walk from the SW area along Kolotti, the road off Monostiriou half a mile to the north, you will go through a short unlit road just after McDonalds. Again, safe enough though it looks dodgy.

The SWs, starting from Monastiriou, are few and far between and mostly unattractive. They can be found on the northern half of Kolotti and the roads parallel, as well as Giannitson, which intersects Kolotti.

Getting around: GoogleMaps is ok but doesn’t seem to give public transport routes. The iPhone Maps app is somewhat better, for routes, not for times. To use a bus, just get on and stick a one euro coin in the machine (it’s actually 90cents but the machine doesn’t give change). It’s an honour system, so try not to look like a cheap tourist over 10 cents. There’s one central street starting as Monastiriou, which runs from the station, and changes its name as it curves round into the middle and lower part of the town.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessaloniki:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). The ‘white lights’ tend to be a bit more expensive than Athens.
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the 20 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-18T15:53:30Z

Dan:

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

==='''THESSALONIKI'''===
The RLD district, a collection of studios, is centred on the junction of Frixou and Nikiforos Ouranou, and up to Empedokleous. Rates vary from 30 to 40 and above. Haggling down by 10 Euros is possible in some. This is slightly away from the centre. The easiest way to get there is by a No.31 bus, taxi or Uber. Contrary to some reports it is NOT close to the railway station.
(GoogleMaps tends to show both the old and the new railway station: the RLD is close to the old one, but a considerable walk from the new one.) Most of the studios are listed on findgirls.gr

If you visit at night, the RLD looks hidden from the main road (called 26th October) which is where the bus drops you. The immediate end of Frixou is in darkness but not dangerous. If you try to walk from the SW area along Kolotti, the road off Monostiriou half a mile to the north, you will go through a short unlit road just after McDonalds. Again, safe enough though it looks dodgy.

The SWs, starting from Monastiriou, are few and far between and mostly unattractive. They can be found on the northern half of Kolotti and the roads parallel, as well as Giannitson, which intersects Kolotti.

Getting around: GoogleMaps is ok but doesn’t seem to give public transport routes. The iPhone Maps app is somewhat better, for routes, not for times. To use a bus, just get on and stick a one euro coin in the machine (it’s actually 90cents but the machine doesn’t give change). It’s an honour system, so try not to look like a cheap tourist over 10 cents. There’s one central street starting as Monastiriou, which runs from the station, and changes its name as it curves round into the middle and lower part of the town.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessaloniki:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). The ‘white lights’ tend to be a bit more expensive than Athens.
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the 20 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-18T15:50:53Z

Dan:

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

==='''THESSALONIKI'''===
The RLD district, a collection of studios, is centred on the junction of Frixou and Nikiforos Ouranou, and up to Empedokleous. Rates vary from 30 to 40 and above. Haggling down by 10 Euros is possible in some. This is slightly away from the centre. The easiest way to get there is by a No.31 bus, taxi or Uber. Contrary to some reports it is NOT close to the railway station.
(GoogleMaps tends to show both the old and the new railway station: the RLD is close to the old one, but a considerable walk from the new one.)

If you visit at night, the RLD looks hidden from the main road (called 26th October) which is where the bus drops you. The immediate end of Frixou is in darkness but not dangerous. If you try to walk from the SW area along Kolotti, the road off Monostiriou half a mile to the north, you will go through a short unlit road just after McDonalds. Again, safe enough though it looks dodgy.

The SWs, starting from Monastiriou, are few and far between and mostly unattractive. They can be found on the northern half of Kolotti and the roads parallel, as well as Giannitson, which intersects Kolotti.

Getting around: GoogleMaps is ok but doesn’t seem to give public transport routes. The iPhone Maps app is somewhat better, for routes, not for times. To use a bus, just get on and stick a one euro coin in the machine (it’s actually 90cents but the machine doesn’t give change). It’s an honour system, so try not to look like a cheap tourist over 10 cents. There’s one central street starting as Monastiriou, which runs from the station, and changes its name as it curves round into the middle and lower part of the town.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessaloniki:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). The ‘white lights’ tend to be a bit more expensive than Athens.
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the 20 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-18T15:38:07Z

Dan:

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

==='''THESSALONIKI'''===
The RLD district, a collection of studios, is centred on the junction of Frixou and Nikiforos Ouranou, and up to Empedokleous. Rates vary from 30 to 40 and above. Haggling down by 10 Euros is possible in some. This is slightly away from the centre. The easiest way to get there is by a No.31 bus, taxi or Uber. Contrary to some reports it is NOT close to the railway station.
(GoogleMaps tends to show both the old and the new railway station: the RLD is close to the old one, but a considerable walk from the new one.)

If you visit at night, the RLD looks hidden from the main road (called 26th October) which is where the bus drops you. The immediate end of Frixou is in darkness but not dangerous. If you try to walk from the SW area along Kolotti, the road off Monostiriou half a mile to the north, you will go through a short unlit road just after McDonalds. Again, safe enough though it looks dodgy.

The SWs, starting from Monastiriou, are few and far between and mostly unattractive. They can be found on the northern half of Kolotti and the roads parallel, as well as Giannitson, which intersects Kolotti.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessaloniki:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). The ‘white lights’ tend to be a bit more expensive than Athens.
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the 20 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-12T09:28:11Z

Dan: /* SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). The ‘white lights’ tend to be a bit more expensive than Athens.
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the 20 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-12T09:27:42Z

Dan: /* SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area).
The ‘white lights’ tend to be a bit more expensive than Athens.
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the 20 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-12T09:27:20Z

Dan: /* SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area).
 The ‘white lights’ tend to be a bit more expensive than Athens.
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the 20 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

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Dan: /* Chania, quick tour */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the 20 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

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Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-12T09:17:14Z

Dan: /* Massage */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-12T09:12:09Z

Dan: /* Brothels */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO.

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Possibly the best value as it's a unique experience is Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but taxi recommended). They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Very professional setup.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2023-07-12T09:09:45Z

Dan: /* Brothels */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station).

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Possibly the best value as it's a unique experience is Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but taxi recommended). They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Very professional setup.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

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Dan: /* Brothels */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station and as far as the train station). A recent development is attempts to upsell— eg an extra 20 for touching and RO (offer 10, usually accepted).

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Possibly the best value as it's a unique experience is Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but taxi recommended). They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Very professional setup.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2022-08-24T03:36:00Z

Dan: /* Brothels */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station).

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are often frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Possibly the best value as it's a unique experience is Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but taxi recommended). They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Very professional setup.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2022-08-24T03:28:45Z

Dan: /* Massage */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station).

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets are sometimes less crowded with foreigners and often much cleaner and safer-looking than the Filis area. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Possibly the best value as it's a unique experience is Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but taxi recommended). They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Very professional setup.

Many massage places offer very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for one or two near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2022-08-24T03:20:38Z

Dan: /* Studios */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station).

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets are sometimes less crowded with foreigners and often much cleaner and safer-looking than the Filis area. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no.) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar, which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits.
Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'.

Many offer incredibly good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for those near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2022-08-24T03:10:26Z

Dan: /* ATHENS */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria); and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki nightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station).

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets are sometimes less crowded with foreigners and often much cleaner and safer-looking than the Filis area. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no. With a few exceptions, opening hours of studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way,

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'.

Many offer incredibly good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for those near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

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Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
QUICK START (If you can find your way around the Athens etc)

'''https://www.bourdela.com/

https://www.ierodoules.com/

https://www.athenssexstudios.gr/'''

Studios often have theor own website.

SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds)

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (Metro stop, Victoria), and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including Plaka, Thisseo, Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station).

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets are sometimes less crowded with foreigners and often much cleaner and safer-looking than the Filis area. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no. With a few exceptions, opening hours of studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way,

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'.

Many offer incredibly good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for those near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

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Dan: /* Chania, quick tour */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising.

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs 9 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give massively different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 44 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Most things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (Metro stop, Victoria), and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including Plaka, Thisseo, Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station).

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets are sometimes less crowded with foreigners and often much cleaner and safer-looking than the Filis area. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no. With a few exceptions, opening hours of studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way,

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'.

Many offer incredibly good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for those near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

Note that this Crete section may need updating.

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2022-08-17T07:57:35Z

Dan: /* Sex cinemas */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising.

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs 9 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give massively different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 44 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Most things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (Metro stop, Victoria), and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including Plaka, Thisseo, Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station).

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets are sometimes less crowded with foreigners and often much cleaner and safer-looking than the Filis area. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no. With a few exceptions, opening hours of studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way,

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'.

Many offer incredibly good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for those near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2022-08-17T07:54:18Z

Dan: /* Studios */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising.

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs 9 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give massively different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 44 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Most things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (Metro stop, Victoria), and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including Plaka, Thisseo, Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station).

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets are sometimes less crowded with foreigners and often much cleaner and safer-looking than the Filis area. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no. With a few exceptions, opening hours of studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.

Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way,

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'.

Many offer incredibly good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for those near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

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Guide to Punting in Brazil

2022-07-07T21:26:03Z

Dan: /* Punting overview */

== Overview ==
Brazil is a major punting destination for some people. Prostitution is legal (there are no laws against adult prostitution) although it is illegal to operate a brothel or to employ prostitutes in any other way. There is a big range of punting options available, from very cheap ("trash" places) costing only a few pounds to high-flyer, which can easily set you back several hundred pounds. As Brazil combines many different ethnicities, the range of girls is also impressive. The main cities are Rio de Janeiro (a major holiday destination in its own right) and Sao Paulo. There is also well-established prostitution venues in most other major cities of the country. The country itself includes rainforests, the pantanal wetlands, near-deserted beaches away from the cities, mountain Swiss-style hideaways, vast trekking areas and a far south with an almost European flavour.

== Challenges ==
* The national language is Portuguese. Little English is spoken outside of the main tourist areas such as Rio's Copacabana.
* The currency is the Real (pronounced “Hee-arl”). Rates fluctuate considerably but approx 5Rs to the £ at time of writing.
* A direct flight from London to Rio takes about 11 hours. Although British Airways fly these regularly, cheaper flights are usually available that involve a connection in Spain, Portugal, France or the United States.
* Costs of everything, including top-level punting, have increased dramatically in recent years. Brazil is no longer a "bargain holiday" destination. Accommodation can be particularly expensive, also doubling in price during Carnaval or New Year. For stays of several weeks, the best option is usually a rented apartment. This gives you your own front door key and in almost 100% of cases complete freedom to take whoever you want back to your apartment. Apartments generally have high levels of security, located in high-rise flats and usually with concierge and gated entry.
* Recreational drugs are commonly available and used by locals but foreigners are advised to beware: police will be less lenient towards foreigners. You should also check the I.D. of any prostitute that is not very obviously over 18. Penalties are severe. If you stick to the main venues however you are unlikely to come across underage prostitutes, in spite of the media frenzy.
* Brazil's main cities are not third-world style resorts. Rio and Sao Paulo are populated with skyscrapers, a highly developed transport system (even with many shortcomings), and first-world business systems. Sao Paulo has more private helicopters than any city in the world outside of Japan. Highways have enormous multi-lane high-speed traffic – but also infamous gridlocks, especially in bad weather.
* In spite of a high level of development, things often go wrong. Particular care is needed with credit cards, and especially in Rio de Janeiro where the airport is famous for hijacked ATMs (that will clone your card). It is wise to change money at established venues (‘Cambios’), and to take care when using ATMs in town, keeping your money concealed and travelling straight back to your hotel or apartment after making a withdrawal. ATMs with security cameras or security personnel are the easiest way to withdraw safely. Note that not all credit or debit cards will work in Brazil, as not all banking systems are linked internationally to UK banking systems. You may have to try several. Sometimes there will be a limit on how much you can withdraw, or the ATMs are only open at certain hours, or the one you happen to pick might not be working (for instance if it is empty). The best places to change money are Currency Exchanges. Trying to change money at a bank can involve long delays and probably poor rates.
* One needs to be familiar with personal security at all times. Most visitors will never experience any trouble, but daylight street robberies are not so uncommon. The Brazilian way is to only carry the money you need that day, and to keep it in several different places on your person so you don't display how much you are carrying when paying for something. Most robberies in the main cities are violence free (it is not worth resisting as the robber may be armed with a knife or a gun and not hesitate to use it.) There is tourist police if you have problems, but once you get into a Brazilian way of thinking, taking normal precautions, you can relax without worrying.
* Brazilians generally are exceedingly polite and go out of their way to avoid confrontation. (Note that Brazilian politeness and European politeness are not necessarily the same!) Before accusing anyone, always ask "if there has not been some mistake." The very touristy areas, as in any country, have their sharks, but generally if you feel you have been wrongly charged it will be a mistake (whether on their part or on your part). It is also advisable to learn a few words of Portuguese. Conversations start with a good morning or good afternoon and asking, how are you? (Tudo bem? literally, everything good?). This is good practice, even in shops. Failure to observe this common courtesy marks you down in their eyes. Some of the most common tourist mistakes are talking in a loud voice (Brazilians are mostly softly spoken) and acting as if they are from a superior planet (they’re not, and acting superior just looks stupid).
* Sense of time. Planes depart on time. Not much else does. Arriving at a party at the stated time, for instance, is considered uncouth and the host might be shocked. Traffic delays can also mean times are not adhered to (for instance, an escort sent to your apartment might be unavoidably delayed).

== Punting overview ==
There are three main levels of punting, not including escort agencies, clip-joints and streetwalkers.
* '''Termas.''' These are the top level. They are similar to a luxury spa, with added punting facilities (though not to be confused with German FKKs). Mostly you will pay an entrance fee, get changed and leave your belongings in a locker, then take as long as you like to relax in the bars, saunas, restaurant and sometimes see a show while checking out the ladies that are available. With food and drink you can generally pay-as-you-go or run up a tab (to reassure yourself against mistakes that might sometimes happen, some people feel that paying cash can simplify things). When you choose a girl, you will often have the option of different levels of en-suite facilities and agree how many hours to engage her at the set rates. One of the most famous, easily accessible and quite spectacular of the Rio termas is Four-by-Four. You can find a guide to locating it at: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=241606.0 or just ask any taxi (it's in Centro, walking distance from Uruguiana Metro).
* '''Private apartments. Casas de Massagem. Clinicas.''' These offer best value at a reasonable price. In Rio de Janeiro they are mostly located in high-rise blocks near the city centre. They may be next to normal residential apartments or businesses so it is very good manners to be quiet and discrete. The receptionist will explain the prices and introduce the girls. There is no pressure to take anyone - just say "maybe another time" if there is no-one you fancy. Facilities are usually spotlessly clean and service quite good. Even at today's prices they will generally be less than half what you would pay for a similar service in the UK. They are advertised in the local papers or check ISG for latest listings (they change quite often). Prices are not normally negotiable. The ones in São Paulo tend to be bigger, more spread out around the city, and rivalling Rio for quality, service and value. Rio clinicas cxhange addresses more freuqently than those in SP. Many are located next to residential and commercial apartments (Metro Carioca) and checking local newspaper classifieds is often the quickest way of finding them. For SP, check the appropriate ISG threads. For privates, see https://www.gp-guia.net/. Another resource is https://www.gparena.net/. If your Portguese is bad, use Chrome translate. Many clinicas have at least minimal English whereas privates may speak Portuguese only.
* ''''Trash' places''' (so-called). These can be exceedingly good fun and cost next to nothing. They cater to short time punts, between ten and twenty minutes. Unlike the more expensive places, not all the girls in trash venues will be beautiful, yet you can find gems that are equal in looks to the top places if you search hard. Most are situated centrally, with a stair that has knock-shops leading off on each floor. There is never any pressure, but the scantily-clad women on the stairs may try to entice you by fondling your ass or balls as you explore the options on each level. The cabins where the action will take place after you choose are often not the best (some are, but most have very basic worn mattress and a sheet). The women however are usually very clean and shower properly between every customer. (Brazilians are almost obsessive about hygiene and washing.) The most famous trash venue was ''Vila Mimosa'', an escort run village to the West of Rio's central district, with dozens upon dozens of bars with escorts, cheap beer and loud music. Brazilians, especially Cariocas (residents of Rio de Janeiro) love to party, and if the girls aren't with a customer many of them might be shaking their dancing asses off or doing their best to flirt seductively. (Note that women in Brazil, including prostitutes, have equal standing to men and sexism is openly prohibited: Brazilian men are mostly dominant by their game.) Vila Mimosa got so much publicity that instead of being a locals-only place it is almost a tourist attraction and prices have rocketed, often charging as much for 15 minutes as you would pay for an hour in a very civilised downtown casa. It is worth trying to negotiate in most cases. Mimosa, in spite of its run-down appearance, is generally safe and it has private security (in other words, it is unwise to step out of line). In Sao Paulo, at least one main walk-up ('trash place') is in a central area next to Luz station. The area is known as 'Crackolandia' due the number of drug addicts and special care should be taken at all times. In Rio, all the main walk-ups are either in Centro or North Centro and generally considered safe. Belo Horizonte, a city further north, has a street not far from the bus station where many large, old hotels (with private security) have been converted into multi-storey trash venues.
* ''''Vila Mimosa''' A small village-like community of p4p workers, p4p-run and with its own security. It used to be a fun cheap haven until prices crept up to clinica level (clinicas being better value). Many of the rooms are ramshackle but the sheer quantity available (together with blaring music and cheap beer from each of the many p4p bars), 7 days and almost 24hrs is unique. Accessible most easily by bus, it's a block north of Praça da Bandeira on Sotero dos Reis. Alternatively the Metro stop Sao Cristovao is a short walk away, or almost any taxi driver knows it. Vila Mimosa is safe (please respoect locals), but the area immediately around it suggests normal caution.
* ''also carefully consider:''
* Streetwalkers. These are not that common in Rio or Sao Paulo. It can be hard to ensure you are not talking to a tranny if approached on Avenida Atlantica (Rio's Copacabana district) or on the edge of Lapa (Rio's historic and regular nightlife district). (Those wanting TS are advised to go online.) In the evening, girls may sometimes be found wandering between pick-up venues in Copacabana. Always negotiate on price. Bear in mind that Copacabana is also a residential area and most women are ''not'' prostitutes!
* Agencies. Standards vary, but some will have at least a receptionist that speaks enough English to help you book a girl. Prices will generally be a bit above those of the private apartments. Often the girl may bring the agency’s loose leaf folder containing photos of all their girls for future reference. Agencies are not usually the best in terms of looks and value for money but can be convenient when all else fails.
* Independents/Privates. Advertised in the local newspapers they can offer excellent value, but are as varied as anywhere else and, unless you can speak fast, fluent Portuguese on the phone, you may find yourself unable to converse. If your doorman seems liberal, you could maybe ask him to phone for you (as with anything, he will charge a small tip, whether openly or as an agreed kickback with the girl, or both).
* Part-timers. If you get to know a girl at a casa or a terma or even a trash venue, it is often quite possible to arrange to meet her outside at a reduced fee or overnight booking. Except at trash venues, this is almost always heavily frowned on by the establishments, so don't be too open about it. If you get on well with a prossie, irrespective of where you met her, she may like to hang out with you for a few days for considerations. This can save money, but she may get quite possessive, wanting to protect her 'investment.'
* Strip shows. Mostly in Copacabana. They can be entertaining if you are careful not to run up a bill but there is no guarantee of quality if you take one of the strippers back for the night, and she will generally charge more based on the venue where you met her. Negotiate on price before leaving the venue.
* Civvies. Brazilians aren't more promiscuous than any other nation (and contrary to the occasional report, are not 'open minded' about a person being a prostitute or visiting a prostitute). You may think you have found a very beautiful escort who can pass as a civvie: however, don't fool yourself: it will be blindingly obvious to a Brazilian that she is a prostitute. Don't go wearing your hobby on your lapel in polite company! Neither are civvie women likely to fall into the arms of a foreigner who is older and doesn't even speak Portuguese and is clearly on holiday looking for a quick fuck. If you are staying longer, you have more opportunities though if you a) learn some Portuguese language and manners and/or b) learn to dance. Bear in mind their are plenty of wealthy, athletic-looking young Portuguese men available, so don't expect an easy lay.
* Beach. Hook-ups can sometimes be made on Copacabana beach (especially near the Leme end, where you can also often find them at Mabs (opposite Princesa Isabel avenue); but it is also a favourite place for prostitutes to take advantage of gullible tourists. If you meet someone on the beach, maybe take her for a coffee to negotiate a price. Robberies on the beach are not uncommon and it's best only to take what you need. Topless bathing, surprisingly, is generally frowned on and even men should put a shirt on when going back onto the street. The deckchair/beer stall will usually look after your belongings if you go for a swim. Avoid the beach at night.

== Cities overview ==
'''Rio de Janeiro''' is the main tourist destination. It can be confusing to a first timer, but not nearly as much as Sao Paulo. It has numerous beautiful beaches and tourist sights, fabulous hotels, mostly good weather, and many beautiful women. It is at heart very much a party city and the beach is the 'summum bonum' of existence. The subway system is very safe. Tourists generally stay in "Rio Sul" the southern half of the city, and especially in Copacabana, Ipanema, Leme or Botafogo. For someone downtown rather than with a beach, consider Leme, which has the best nightlife. Note: If you are going explicitly for Carnaval (which can be costly) do lots of research about the show itself and the performances/schools and also consider how far you will be from the Sambodrome. Also be aware that Barra da Tijuca, an upmarket suburb where the Rock in Rio festival is held, is a very considerable commuting distance from the rest of the city for anything.

'''Sao Paulo''' is the business centre of Brazil and also one of the biggest cities in the world, which makes navigation an immediate priority. Prices for punting are generally cheaper and better value than in Rio, but more travelling may be involved as they are rather spread out. (Count on a couple of subway rides and then a walk or a taxi for the last bit). The trendy heart of the city is along Avenida Paulista (south-west of the downtown/city centre) and often compared to New York’s Times Square and is a good area in which to stay. Public transport is excellent (though the bus system is complicated — use googlemaps on your phone to get GPS travel directions). The Metro system is straightforward but expect main stations that are bigger and more crowded than those of London with pedestrian flow systems in operation. Taxis are relatively inexpensive but can mount up due to the considerable distances across town that can be involved. There are no beaches and no obvious tourist attractions to compare to Rio, but it has some of the best restaurants in the world (if you can afford them) and a vibrant art scene. For regular nightlife there is no shortage of either hectic or sophisticated options. Many Paulistanos tend to be sophisticated and well-educated.

North of Rio & São Paulo are cities such as Salvador, Belo Horizonte and Belem with smaller but exciting hobby opportunities but even more so definitely not for beginners. Brazil is the biggest country in South America and travelling to the more northerly places involves internal flights or bus journeys last up to several days. Rio and São Paulo however are connected by frequent short flights and premium bus services. The south of the country can be rather cool in winter whereas the north goes from sun-baked to tropical.

== Transport ==
Brazil is an enormous country, roughly the size of the USA. '''Internal flights''' can sometimes be picked up quite cheaply. Brazilians think nothing of overnight (or 24h or more) bus journeys. '''Intercity buses''' are fairly comfortable on the whole and the ones running between Rio and Sao Paulo have deep recliner options. Trains are almost non-existent other than one or two scenic lines. Driving is not particularly recommended unless you are very familiar with the country... the big cities are more complex than London or L.A. to negotiate in and out of. Carjackling is not unknown. Roads vary from excellent to very poor.
'''Rio''' has two '''airports''': Santos Dumont, which is amazingly close to the city centre but with limited international flights, and Galeão (known as GIG) which is some distance away. Rio's city transport is very well integrated and you can pick up a '''travel card''', load it with an amount of money of your choosing, and then use it on buses, metros and the tram. (You can also pay electronically). '''Taxis/Ubers''' are very reasonable, but as with anywhere, not always available when you want one. Learning to use '''local buses''' is safe and easy. The big bus stops have a list of buses stopping there, the bus number and the destinations. Tell the bus to stop with a firm, downward movement of the arm. When you get on, use your travel card to pass through the turnstile (if your card has run out, pay the driver using only small bills). If you are not familiar with the place where you want to get off, work out how to pronounce it in Portuguese beforehand and ask the driver or another passenger to advise you. Be polite. Don't be shocked if you are standing up and someone offers to hold your shopping on their lap for you.
'''Sao Paulo''' has three airports. The main one is Guarulhos (GRU) use for most international flights and the most developed. Beware that if you get a flight to Viracopos or Congonhas airport, the connections into the city are much poorer (Viracopos will take quite a while from downtown SP). Sao Paulo is the biggest city in the southern hemisphere. It has a highly developed but very complex transport system. As for Rio, get a card that covers all forms of public transport including the suburban train: it saves money (built in discounts with some multiple journeys), saves hassle and saves time. Taxis/Ubers are inexpensive but may be hard to find in rush hour (in rush hour, the metro, however crowded, is often quicker) and given the large distances crossing the city can eventually end up expensive.

== Apartment Rentals and where to stay ==
(RJ)If you are planning to stay more than a week then an apartment rental offers advantages over a hotel. These can be booked online or by walking into a rental agency, of which there are many in Copacabana (for instance along the parallel main streets of N.S. Copa and Barata Ribeiro). You can come and go as you please and with whom you please. There is usually no room safe -- hide your stuff under the mattress or lock it in your rucksack. Get on good terms with the security guy on the ground floor: he is God as far as that apartment building is concerned and all its comings and goings. An apartment close to a metro station may be very convenient for a beginner. Although the state of apartments -- or AirBnBs for that matter -- vary immensely, the biggest complaint is the noise of building works in an adjoining apartment. It seems someone is always knocking down or building something! One way of guarding against this is as follows. Travel light, or at most with what you can carry on your back. Check in to a hotel somewhere for your first night or two nights. Then go to a few agencies, ask what they have on offer and go and view the apartments. Most will let you leave your luggage in the agency while they send a lad with the keys to show you the flats. That way youi actually see what you are getting and can choose. A third option is an Aparthotel. This gives you a reasonably swish apartment where a maid comes daily to do the cleaning. There are often part of a complex that includes shops and a gym in the same building. If you do end up staying a hotel you may end up paying not only for a double but for an extra fee for any visitor, and all at their discretion on who comes in with you. Copacabana is the most popular tourist suburb with many apartment rentals and easy transport to other areas. Leme, Ipamema and Botafogo are also popular. Downtown (historical Lapa or central Carioca) are popular with locals or visitors already more familiar with RJ but these areas have no beach. It is best to stay in the south half of the city (Rio Sul) until you know RJ very well or have friends to stay with.
(SP) Apartment rentals seem less common in SP. Try to get a hotel reasonably close to Avenida Paulista if you can, the "Times Square" of SP.

== Currency ==
It's not a bad idea to familiarise yourself with the appearance of the notes before you go so you don't accidentally give someone ten times what you intended. It's common policy just to carry as much as you intend to spend, and to keep small notes in a separate pocket to large ones (so you don't advertise how much you're carrying when just buying a small item). Small bills can be horribly grubby, as if someone has wiped their arse with them, thrown them away, then rescued them and dried them in the sun.
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Guide to Punting in Brazil

2022-07-07T21:22:04Z

Dan: /* Transport */

== Overview ==
Brazil is a major punting destination for some people. Prostitution is legal (there are no laws against adult prostitution) although it is illegal to operate a brothel or to employ prostitutes in any other way. There is a big range of punting options available, from very cheap ("trash" places) costing only a few pounds to high-flyer, which can easily set you back several hundred pounds. As Brazil combines many different ethnicities, the range of girls is also impressive. The main cities are Rio de Janeiro (a major holiday destination in its own right) and Sao Paulo. There is also well-established prostitution venues in most other major cities of the country. The country itself includes rainforests, the pantanal wetlands, near-deserted beaches away from the cities, mountain Swiss-style hideaways, vast trekking areas and a far south with an almost European flavour.

== Challenges ==
* The national language is Portuguese. Little English is spoken outside of the main tourist areas such as Rio's Copacabana.
* The currency is the Real (pronounced “Hee-arl”). Rates fluctuate considerably but approx 5Rs to the £ at time of writing.
* A direct flight from London to Rio takes about 11 hours. Although British Airways fly these regularly, cheaper flights are usually available that involve a connection in Spain, Portugal, France or the United States.
* Costs of everything, including top-level punting, have increased dramatically in recent years. Brazil is no longer a "bargain holiday" destination. Accommodation can be particularly expensive, also doubling in price during Carnaval or New Year. For stays of several weeks, the best option is usually a rented apartment. This gives you your own front door key and in almost 100% of cases complete freedom to take whoever you want back to your apartment. Apartments generally have high levels of security, located in high-rise flats and usually with concierge and gated entry.
* Recreational drugs are commonly available and used by locals but foreigners are advised to beware: police will be less lenient towards foreigners. You should also check the I.D. of any prostitute that is not very obviously over 18. Penalties are severe. If you stick to the main venues however you are unlikely to come across underage prostitutes, in spite of the media frenzy.
* Brazil's main cities are not third-world style resorts. Rio and Sao Paulo are populated with skyscrapers, a highly developed transport system (even with many shortcomings), and first-world business systems. Sao Paulo has more private helicopters than any city in the world outside of Japan. Highways have enormous multi-lane high-speed traffic – but also infamous gridlocks, especially in bad weather.
* In spite of a high level of development, things often go wrong. Particular care is needed with credit cards, and especially in Rio de Janeiro where the airport is famous for hijacked ATMs (that will clone your card). It is wise to change money at established venues (‘Cambios’), and to take care when using ATMs in town, keeping your money concealed and travelling straight back to your hotel or apartment after making a withdrawal. ATMs with security cameras or security personnel are the easiest way to withdraw safely. Note that not all credit or debit cards will work in Brazil, as not all banking systems are linked internationally to UK banking systems. You may have to try several. Sometimes there will be a limit on how much you can withdraw, or the ATMs are only open at certain hours, or the one you happen to pick might not be working (for instance if it is empty). The best places to change money are Currency Exchanges. Trying to change money at a bank can involve long delays and probably poor rates.
* One needs to be familiar with personal security at all times. Most visitors will never experience any trouble, but daylight street robberies are not so uncommon. The Brazilian way is to only carry the money you need that day, and to keep it in several different places on your person so you don't display how much you are carrying when paying for something. Most robberies in the main cities are violence free (it is not worth resisting as the robber may be armed with a knife or a gun and not hesitate to use it.) There is tourist police if you have problems, but once you get into a Brazilian way of thinking, taking normal precautions, you can relax without worrying.
* Brazilians generally are exceedingly polite and go out of their way to avoid confrontation. (Note that Brazilian politeness and European politeness are not necessarily the same!) Before accusing anyone, always ask "if there has not been some mistake." The very touristy areas, as in any country, have their sharks, but generally if you feel you have been wrongly charged it will be a mistake (whether on their part or on your part). It is also advisable to learn a few words of Portuguese. Conversations start with a good morning or good afternoon and asking, how are you? (Tudo bem? literally, everything good?). This is good practice, even in shops. Failure to observe this common courtesy marks you down in their eyes. Some of the most common tourist mistakes are talking in a loud voice (Brazilians are mostly softly spoken) and acting as if they are from a superior planet (they’re not, and acting superior just looks stupid).
* Sense of time. Planes depart on time. Not much else does. Arriving at a party at the stated time, for instance, is considered uncouth and the host might be shocked. Traffic delays can also mean times are not adhered to (for instance, an escort sent to your apartment might be unavoidably delayed).

== Punting overview ==
There are three main levels of punting, not including escort agencies, clip-joints and streetwalkers.
* '''Termas.''' These are the top level. They are similar to a luxury spa, with added punting facilities (though not to be confused with German FKKs). Mostly you will pay an entrance fee, get changed and leave your belongings in a locker, then take as long as you like to relax in the bars, saunas, restaurant and sometimes see a show while checking out the ladies that are available. With food and drink you can generally pay-as-you-go or run up a tab (to reassure yourself against mistakes that might sometimes happen, some people feel that paying cash can simplify things). When you choose a girl, you will often have the option of different levels of en-suite facilities and agree how many hours to engage her at the set rates. One of the most famous, easily accessible and quite spectacular of the Rio termas is Four-by-Four. You can find a guide to locating it at: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=241606.0 or just ask any taxi (it's in Centro, walking distance from Uruguiana Metro).
* '''Private apartments. Casas de Massagem. Clinicas.''' These offer best value at a reasonable price. In Rio de Janeiro they are mostly located in high-rise blocks near the city centre. They may be next to normal residential apartments or businesses so it is very good manners to be quiet and discrete. The receptionist will explain the prices and introduce the girls. There is no pressure to take anyone - just say "maybe another time" if there is no-one you fancy. Facilities are usually spotlessly clean and service quite good. Even at today's prices they will generally be less than half what you would pay for a similar service in the UK. They are advertised in the local papers or check ISG for latest listings (they change quite often). Prices are not normally negotiable. The ones in São Paulo tend to be bigger, more spread out around the city, and rivalling Rio for quality, service and value. Rio clinicas cxhange addresses more freuqently than those in SP. Many are located next to residential and commercial apartments (Metro Carioca) and checking local newspaper classifieds is often the quickest way of finding them. For SP, check the appropriate ISG threads. For privates, see https://www.gp-guia.net/. If your Portguese is bad, use Chrome translate. Many clinicas have at least minimal English whereas privates may speak Portuguese only.
* ''''Trash' places''' (so-called). These can be exceedingly good fun and cost next to nothing. They cater to short time punts, between ten and twenty minutes. Unlike the more expensive places, not all the girls in trash venues will be beautiful, yet you can find gems that are equal in looks to the top places if you search hard. Most are situated centrally, with a stair that has knock-shops leading off on each floor. There is never any pressure, but the scantily-clad women on the stairs may try to entice you by fondling your ass or balls as you explore the options on each level. The cabins where the action will take place after you choose are often not the best (some are, but most have very basic worn mattress and a sheet). The women however are usually very clean and shower properly between every customer. (Brazilians are almost obsessive about hygiene and washing.) The most famous trash venue was ''Vila Mimosa'', an escort run village to the West of Rio's central district, with dozens upon dozens of bars with escorts, cheap beer and loud music. Brazilians, especially Cariocas (residents of Rio de Janeiro) love to party, and if the girls aren't with a customer many of them might be shaking their dancing asses off or doing their best to flirt seductively. (Note that women in Brazil, including prostitutes, have equal standing to men and sexism is openly prohibited: Brazilian men are mostly dominant by their game.) Vila Mimosa got so much publicity that instead of being a locals-only place it is almost a tourist attraction and prices have rocketed, often charging as much for 15 minutes as you would pay for an hour in a very civilised downtown casa. It is worth trying to negotiate in most cases. Mimosa, in spite of its run-down appearance, is generally safe and it has private security (in other words, it is unwise to step out of line). In Sao Paulo, at least one main walk-up ('trash place') is in a central area next to Luz station. The area is known as 'Crackolandia' due the number of drug addicts and special care should be taken at all times. In Rio, all the main walk-ups are either in Centro or North Centro and generally considered safe. Belo Horizonte, a city further north, has a street not far from the bus station where many large, old hotels (with private security) have been converted into multi-storey trash venues.
* ''''Vila Mimosa''' A small village-like community of p4p workers, p4p-run and with its own security. It used to be a fun cheap haven until prices crept up to clinica level (clinicas being better value). Many of the rooms are ramshackle but the sheer quantity available (together with blaring music and cheap beer from each of the many p4p bars), 7 days and almost 24hrs is unique. Accessible most easily by bus, it's a block north of Praça da Bandeira on Sotero dos Reis. Alternatively the Metro stop Sao Cristovao is a short walk away, or almost any taxi driver knows it. Vila Mimosa is safe (please respoect locals), but the area immediately around it suggests normal caution.
* ''also carefully consider:''
* Streetwalkers. These are not that common in Rio or Sao Paulo. It can be hard to ensure you are not talking to a tranny if approached on Avenida Atlantica (Rio's Copacabana district) or on the edge of Lapa (Rio's historic and regular nightlife district). (Those wanting TS are advised to go online.) In the evening, girls may sometimes be found wandering between pick-up venues in Copacabana. Always negotiate on price. Bear in mind that Copacabana is also a residential area and most women are ''not'' prostitutes!
* Agencies. Standards vary, but some will have at least a receptionist that speaks enough English to help you book a girl. Prices will generally be a bit above those of the private apartments. Often the girl may bring the agency’s loose leaf folder containing photos of all their girls for future reference. Agencies are not usually the best in terms of looks and value for money but can be convenient when all else fails.
* Independents/Privates. Advertised in the local newspapers they can offer excellent value, but are as varied as anywhere else and, unless you can speak fast, fluent Portuguese on the phone, you may find yourself unable to converse. If your doorman seems liberal, you could maybe ask him to phone for you (as with anything, he will charge a small tip, whether openly or as an agreed kickback with the girl, or both).
* Part-timers. If you get to know a girl at a casa or a terma or even a trash venue, it is often quite possible to arrange to meet her outside at a reduced fee or overnight booking. Except at trash venues, this is almost always heavily frowned on by the establishments, so don't be too open about it. If you get on well with a prossie, irrespective of where you met her, she may like to hang out with you for a few days for considerations. This can save money, but she may get quite possessive, wanting to protect her 'investment.'
* Strip shows. Mostly in Copacabana. They can be entertaining if you are careful not to run up a bill but there is no guarantee of quality if you take one of the strippers back for the night, and she will generally charge more based on the venue where you met her. Negotiate on price before leaving the venue.
* Civvies. Brazilians aren't more promiscuous than any other nation (and contrary to the occasional report, are not 'open minded' about a person being a prostitute or visiting a prostitute). You may think you have found a very beautiful escort who can pass as a civvie: however, don't fool yourself: it will be blindingly obvious to a Brazilian that she is a prostitute. Don't go wearing your hobby on your lapel in polite company! Neither are civvie women likely to fall into the arms of a foreigner who is older and doesn't even speak Portuguese and is clearly on holiday looking for a quick fuck. If you are staying longer, you have more opportunities though if you a) learn some Portuguese language and manners and/or b) learn to dance. Bear in mind their are plenty of wealthy, athletic-looking young Portuguese men available, so don't expect an easy lay.
* Beach. Hook-ups can sometimes be made on Copacabana beach (especially near the Leme end, where you can also often find them at Mabs (opposite Princesa Isabel avenue); but it is also a favourite place for prostitutes to take advantage of gullible tourists. If you meet someone on the beach, maybe take her for a coffee to negotiate a price. Robberies on the beach are not uncommon and it's best only to take what you need. Topless bathing, surprisingly, is generally frowned on and even men should put a shirt on when going back onto the street. The deckchair/beer stall will usually look after your belongings if you go for a swim. Avoid the beach at night.

== Cities overview ==
'''Rio de Janeiro''' is the main tourist destination. It can be confusing to a first timer, but not nearly as much as Sao Paulo. It has numerous beautiful beaches and tourist sights, fabulous hotels, mostly good weather, and many beautiful women. It is at heart very much a party city and the beach is the 'summum bonum' of existence. The subway system is very safe. Tourists generally stay in "Rio Sul" the southern half of the city, and especially in Copacabana, Ipanema, Leme or Botafogo. For someone downtown rather than with a beach, consider Leme, which has the best nightlife. Note: If you are going explicitly for Carnaval (which can be costly) do lots of research about the show itself and the performances/schools and also consider how far you will be from the Sambodrome. Also be aware that Barra da Tijuca, an upmarket suburb where the Rock in Rio festival is held, is a very considerable commuting distance from the rest of the city for anything.

'''Sao Paulo''' is the business centre of Brazil and also one of the biggest cities in the world, which makes navigation an immediate priority. Prices for punting are generally cheaper and better value than in Rio, but more travelling may be involved as they are rather spread out. (Count on a couple of subway rides and then a walk or a taxi for the last bit). The trendy heart of the city is along Avenida Paulista (south-west of the downtown/city centre) and often compared to New York’s Times Square and is a good area in which to stay. Public transport is excellent (though the bus system is complicated — use googlemaps on your phone to get GPS travel directions). The Metro system is straightforward but expect main stations that are bigger and more crowded than those of London with pedestrian flow systems in operation. Taxis are relatively inexpensive but can mount up due to the considerable distances across town that can be involved. There are no beaches and no obvious tourist attractions to compare to Rio, but it has some of the best restaurants in the world (if you can afford them) and a vibrant art scene. For regular nightlife there is no shortage of either hectic or sophisticated options. Many Paulistanos tend to be sophisticated and well-educated.

North of Rio & São Paulo are cities such as Salvador, Belo Horizonte and Belem with smaller but exciting hobby opportunities but even more so definitely not for beginners. Brazil is the biggest country in South America and travelling to the more northerly places involves internal flights or bus journeys last up to several days. Rio and São Paulo however are connected by frequent short flights and premium bus services. The south of the country can be rather cool in winter whereas the north goes from sun-baked to tropical.

== Transport ==
Brazil is an enormous country, roughly the size of the USA. '''Internal flights''' can sometimes be picked up quite cheaply. Brazilians think nothing of overnight (or 24h or more) bus journeys. '''Intercity buses''' are fairly comfortable on the whole and the ones running between Rio and Sao Paulo have deep recliner options. Trains are almost non-existent other than one or two scenic lines. Driving is not particularly recommended unless you are very familiar with the country... the big cities are more complex than London or L.A. to negotiate in and out of. Carjackling is not unknown. Roads vary from excellent to very poor.
'''Rio''' has two '''airports''': Santos Dumont, which is amazingly close to the city centre but with limited international flights, and Galeão (known as GIG) which is some distance away. Rio's city transport is very well integrated and you can pick up a '''travel card''', load it with an amount of money of your choosing, and then use it on buses, metros and the tram. (You can also pay electronically). '''Taxis/Ubers''' are very reasonable, but as with anywhere, not always available when you want one. Learning to use '''local buses''' is safe and easy. The big bus stops have a list of buses stopping there, the bus number and the destinations. Tell the bus to stop with a firm, downward movement of the arm. When you get on, use your travel card to pass through the turnstile (if your card has run out, pay the driver using only small bills). If you are not familiar with the place where you want to get off, work out how to pronounce it in Portuguese beforehand and ask the driver or another passenger to advise you. Be polite. Don't be shocked if you are standing up and someone offers to hold your shopping on their lap for you.
'''Sao Paulo''' has three airports. The main one is Guarulhos (GRU) use for most international flights and the most developed. Beware that if you get a flight to Viracopos or Congonhas airport, the connections into the city are much poorer (Viracopos will take quite a while from downtown SP). Sao Paulo is the biggest city in the southern hemisphere. It has a highly developed but very complex transport system. As for Rio, get a card that covers all forms of public transport including the suburban train: it saves money (built in discounts with some multiple journeys), saves hassle and saves time. Taxis/Ubers are inexpensive but may be hard to find in rush hour (in rush hour, the metro, however crowded, is often quicker) and given the large distances crossing the city can eventually end up expensive.

== Apartment Rentals and where to stay ==
(RJ)If you are planning to stay more than a week then an apartment rental offers advantages over a hotel. These can be booked online or by walking into a rental agency, of which there are many in Copacabana (for instance along the parallel main streets of N.S. Copa and Barata Ribeiro). You can come and go as you please and with whom you please. There is usually no room safe -- hide your stuff under the mattress or lock it in your rucksack. Get on good terms with the security guy on the ground floor: he is God as far as that apartment building is concerned and all its comings and goings. An apartment close to a metro station may be very convenient for a beginner. Although the state of apartments -- or AirBnBs for that matter -- vary immensely, the biggest complaint is the noise of building works in an adjoining apartment. It seems someone is always knocking down or building something! One way of guarding against this is as follows. Travel light, or at most with what you can carry on your back. Check in to a hotel somewhere for your first night or two nights. Then go to a few agencies, ask what they have on offer and go and view the apartments. Most will let you leave your luggage in the agency while they send a lad with the keys to show you the flats. That way youi actually see what you are getting and can choose. A third option is an Aparthotel. This gives you a reasonably swish apartment where a maid comes daily to do the cleaning. There are often part of a complex that includes shops and a gym in the same building. If you do end up staying a hotel you may end up paying not only for a double but for an extra fee for any visitor, and all at their discretion on who comes in with you. Copacabana is the most popular tourist suburb with many apartment rentals and easy transport to other areas. Leme, Ipamema and Botafogo are also popular. Downtown (historical Lapa or central Carioca) are popular with locals or visitors already more familiar with RJ but these areas have no beach. It is best to stay in the south half of the city (Rio Sul) until you know RJ very well or have friends to stay with.
(SP) Apartment rentals seem less common in SP. Try to get a hotel reasonably close to Avenida Paulista if you can, the "Times Square" of SP.

== Currency ==
It's not a bad idea to familiarise yourself with the appearance of the notes before you go so you don't accidentally give someone ten times what you intended. It's common policy just to carry as much as you intend to spend, and to keep small notes in a separate pocket to large ones (so you don't advertise how much you're carrying when just buying a small item). Small bills can be horribly grubby, as if someone has wiped their arse with them, thrown them away, then rescued them and dried them in the sun.
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Guide to Punting in Brazil

2022-07-07T21:20:48Z

Dan: /* Apartment Rentals (RJ) */

== Overview ==
Brazil is a major punting destination for some people. Prostitution is legal (there are no laws against adult prostitution) although it is illegal to operate a brothel or to employ prostitutes in any other way. There is a big range of punting options available, from very cheap ("trash" places) costing only a few pounds to high-flyer, which can easily set you back several hundred pounds. As Brazil combines many different ethnicities, the range of girls is also impressive. The main cities are Rio de Janeiro (a major holiday destination in its own right) and Sao Paulo. There is also well-established prostitution venues in most other major cities of the country. The country itself includes rainforests, the pantanal wetlands, near-deserted beaches away from the cities, mountain Swiss-style hideaways, vast trekking areas and a far south with an almost European flavour.

== Challenges ==
* The national language is Portuguese. Little English is spoken outside of the main tourist areas such as Rio's Copacabana.
* The currency is the Real (pronounced “Hee-arl”). Rates fluctuate considerably but approx 5Rs to the £ at time of writing.
* A direct flight from London to Rio takes about 11 hours. Although British Airways fly these regularly, cheaper flights are usually available that involve a connection in Spain, Portugal, France or the United States.
* Costs of everything, including top-level punting, have increased dramatically in recent years. Brazil is no longer a "bargain holiday" destination. Accommodation can be particularly expensive, also doubling in price during Carnaval or New Year. For stays of several weeks, the best option is usually a rented apartment. This gives you your own front door key and in almost 100% of cases complete freedom to take whoever you want back to your apartment. Apartments generally have high levels of security, located in high-rise flats and usually with concierge and gated entry.
* Recreational drugs are commonly available and used by locals but foreigners are advised to beware: police will be less lenient towards foreigners. You should also check the I.D. of any prostitute that is not very obviously over 18. Penalties are severe. If you stick to the main venues however you are unlikely to come across underage prostitutes, in spite of the media frenzy.
* Brazil's main cities are not third-world style resorts. Rio and Sao Paulo are populated with skyscrapers, a highly developed transport system (even with many shortcomings), and first-world business systems. Sao Paulo has more private helicopters than any city in the world outside of Japan. Highways have enormous multi-lane high-speed traffic – but also infamous gridlocks, especially in bad weather.
* In spite of a high level of development, things often go wrong. Particular care is needed with credit cards, and especially in Rio de Janeiro where the airport is famous for hijacked ATMs (that will clone your card). It is wise to change money at established venues (‘Cambios’), and to take care when using ATMs in town, keeping your money concealed and travelling straight back to your hotel or apartment after making a withdrawal. ATMs with security cameras or security personnel are the easiest way to withdraw safely. Note that not all credit or debit cards will work in Brazil, as not all banking systems are linked internationally to UK banking systems. You may have to try several. Sometimes there will be a limit on how much you can withdraw, or the ATMs are only open at certain hours, or the one you happen to pick might not be working (for instance if it is empty). The best places to change money are Currency Exchanges. Trying to change money at a bank can involve long delays and probably poor rates.
* One needs to be familiar with personal security at all times. Most visitors will never experience any trouble, but daylight street robberies are not so uncommon. The Brazilian way is to only carry the money you need that day, and to keep it in several different places on your person so you don't display how much you are carrying when paying for something. Most robberies in the main cities are violence free (it is not worth resisting as the robber may be armed with a knife or a gun and not hesitate to use it.) There is tourist police if you have problems, but once you get into a Brazilian way of thinking, taking normal precautions, you can relax without worrying.
* Brazilians generally are exceedingly polite and go out of their way to avoid confrontation. (Note that Brazilian politeness and European politeness are not necessarily the same!) Before accusing anyone, always ask "if there has not been some mistake." The very touristy areas, as in any country, have their sharks, but generally if you feel you have been wrongly charged it will be a mistake (whether on their part or on your part). It is also advisable to learn a few words of Portuguese. Conversations start with a good morning or good afternoon and asking, how are you? (Tudo bem? literally, everything good?). This is good practice, even in shops. Failure to observe this common courtesy marks you down in their eyes. Some of the most common tourist mistakes are talking in a loud voice (Brazilians are mostly softly spoken) and acting as if they are from a superior planet (they’re not, and acting superior just looks stupid).
* Sense of time. Planes depart on time. Not much else does. Arriving at a party at the stated time, for instance, is considered uncouth and the host might be shocked. Traffic delays can also mean times are not adhered to (for instance, an escort sent to your apartment might be unavoidably delayed).

== Punting overview ==
There are three main levels of punting, not including escort agencies, clip-joints and streetwalkers.
* '''Termas.''' These are the top level. They are similar to a luxury spa, with added punting facilities (though not to be confused with German FKKs). Mostly you will pay an entrance fee, get changed and leave your belongings in a locker, then take as long as you like to relax in the bars, saunas, restaurant and sometimes see a show while checking out the ladies that are available. With food and drink you can generally pay-as-you-go or run up a tab (to reassure yourself against mistakes that might sometimes happen, some people feel that paying cash can simplify things). When you choose a girl, you will often have the option of different levels of en-suite facilities and agree how many hours to engage her at the set rates. One of the most famous, easily accessible and quite spectacular of the Rio termas is Four-by-Four. You can find a guide to locating it at: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=241606.0 or just ask any taxi (it's in Centro, walking distance from Uruguiana Metro).
* '''Private apartments. Casas de Massagem. Clinicas.''' These offer best value at a reasonable price. In Rio de Janeiro they are mostly located in high-rise blocks near the city centre. They may be next to normal residential apartments or businesses so it is very good manners to be quiet and discrete. The receptionist will explain the prices and introduce the girls. There is no pressure to take anyone - just say "maybe another time" if there is no-one you fancy. Facilities are usually spotlessly clean and service quite good. Even at today's prices they will generally be less than half what you would pay for a similar service in the UK. They are advertised in the local papers or check ISG for latest listings (they change quite often). Prices are not normally negotiable. The ones in São Paulo tend to be bigger, more spread out around the city, and rivalling Rio for quality, service and value. Rio clinicas cxhange addresses more freuqently than those in SP. Many are located next to residential and commercial apartments (Metro Carioca) and checking local newspaper classifieds is often the quickest way of finding them. For SP, check the appropriate ISG threads. For privates, see https://www.gp-guia.net/. If your Portguese is bad, use Chrome translate. Many clinicas have at least minimal English whereas privates may speak Portuguese only.
* ''''Trash' places''' (so-called). These can be exceedingly good fun and cost next to nothing. They cater to short time punts, between ten and twenty minutes. Unlike the more expensive places, not all the girls in trash venues will be beautiful, yet you can find gems that are equal in looks to the top places if you search hard. Most are situated centrally, with a stair that has knock-shops leading off on each floor. There is never any pressure, but the scantily-clad women on the stairs may try to entice you by fondling your ass or balls as you explore the options on each level. The cabins where the action will take place after you choose are often not the best (some are, but most have very basic worn mattress and a sheet). The women however are usually very clean and shower properly between every customer. (Brazilians are almost obsessive about hygiene and washing.) The most famous trash venue was ''Vila Mimosa'', an escort run village to the West of Rio's central district, with dozens upon dozens of bars with escorts, cheap beer and loud music. Brazilians, especially Cariocas (residents of Rio de Janeiro) love to party, and if the girls aren't with a customer many of them might be shaking their dancing asses off or doing their best to flirt seductively. (Note that women in Brazil, including prostitutes, have equal standing to men and sexism is openly prohibited: Brazilian men are mostly dominant by their game.) Vila Mimosa got so much publicity that instead of being a locals-only place it is almost a tourist attraction and prices have rocketed, often charging as much for 15 minutes as you would pay for an hour in a very civilised downtown casa. It is worth trying to negotiate in most cases. Mimosa, in spite of its run-down appearance, is generally safe and it has private security (in other words, it is unwise to step out of line). In Sao Paulo, at least one main walk-up ('trash place') is in a central area next to Luz station. The area is known as 'Crackolandia' due the number of drug addicts and special care should be taken at all times. In Rio, all the main walk-ups are either in Centro or North Centro and generally considered safe. Belo Horizonte, a city further north, has a street not far from the bus station where many large, old hotels (with private security) have been converted into multi-storey trash venues.
* ''''Vila Mimosa''' A small village-like community of p4p workers, p4p-run and with its own security. It used to be a fun cheap haven until prices crept up to clinica level (clinicas being better value). Many of the rooms are ramshackle but the sheer quantity available (together with blaring music and cheap beer from each of the many p4p bars), 7 days and almost 24hrs is unique. Accessible most easily by bus, it's a block north of Praça da Bandeira on Sotero dos Reis. Alternatively the Metro stop Sao Cristovao is a short walk away, or almost any taxi driver knows it. Vila Mimosa is safe (please respoect locals), but the area immediately around it suggests normal caution.
* ''also carefully consider:''
* Streetwalkers. These are not that common in Rio or Sao Paulo. It can be hard to ensure you are not talking to a tranny if approached on Avenida Atlantica (Rio's Copacabana district) or on the edge of Lapa (Rio's historic and regular nightlife district). (Those wanting TS are advised to go online.) In the evening, girls may sometimes be found wandering between pick-up venues in Copacabana. Always negotiate on price. Bear in mind that Copacabana is also a residential area and most women are ''not'' prostitutes!
* Agencies. Standards vary, but some will have at least a receptionist that speaks enough English to help you book a girl. Prices will generally be a bit above those of the private apartments. Often the girl may bring the agency’s loose leaf folder containing photos of all their girls for future reference. Agencies are not usually the best in terms of looks and value for money but can be convenient when all else fails.
* Independents/Privates. Advertised in the local newspapers they can offer excellent value, but are as varied as anywhere else and, unless you can speak fast, fluent Portuguese on the phone, you may find yourself unable to converse. If your doorman seems liberal, you could maybe ask him to phone for you (as with anything, he will charge a small tip, whether openly or as an agreed kickback with the girl, or both).
* Part-timers. If you get to know a girl at a casa or a terma or even a trash venue, it is often quite possible to arrange to meet her outside at a reduced fee or overnight booking. Except at trash venues, this is almost always heavily frowned on by the establishments, so don't be too open about it. If you get on well with a prossie, irrespective of where you met her, she may like to hang out with you for a few days for considerations. This can save money, but she may get quite possessive, wanting to protect her 'investment.'
* Strip shows. Mostly in Copacabana. They can be entertaining if you are careful not to run up a bill but there is no guarantee of quality if you take one of the strippers back for the night, and she will generally charge more based on the venue where you met her. Negotiate on price before leaving the venue.
* Civvies. Brazilians aren't more promiscuous than any other nation (and contrary to the occasional report, are not 'open minded' about a person being a prostitute or visiting a prostitute). You may think you have found a very beautiful escort who can pass as a civvie: however, don't fool yourself: it will be blindingly obvious to a Brazilian that she is a prostitute. Don't go wearing your hobby on your lapel in polite company! Neither are civvie women likely to fall into the arms of a foreigner who is older and doesn't even speak Portuguese and is clearly on holiday looking for a quick fuck. If you are staying longer, you have more opportunities though if you a) learn some Portuguese language and manners and/or b) learn to dance. Bear in mind their are plenty of wealthy, athletic-looking young Portuguese men available, so don't expect an easy lay.
* Beach. Hook-ups can sometimes be made on Copacabana beach (especially near the Leme end, where you can also often find them at Mabs (opposite Princesa Isabel avenue); but it is also a favourite place for prostitutes to take advantage of gullible tourists. If you meet someone on the beach, maybe take her for a coffee to negotiate a price. Robberies on the beach are not uncommon and it's best only to take what you need. Topless bathing, surprisingly, is generally frowned on and even men should put a shirt on when going back onto the street. The deckchair/beer stall will usually look after your belongings if you go for a swim. Avoid the beach at night.

== Cities overview ==
'''Rio de Janeiro''' is the main tourist destination. It can be confusing to a first timer, but not nearly as much as Sao Paulo. It has numerous beautiful beaches and tourist sights, fabulous hotels, mostly good weather, and many beautiful women. It is at heart very much a party city and the beach is the 'summum bonum' of existence. The subway system is very safe. Tourists generally stay in "Rio Sul" the southern half of the city, and especially in Copacabana, Ipanema, Leme or Botafogo. For someone downtown rather than with a beach, consider Leme, which has the best nightlife. Note: If you are going explicitly for Carnaval (which can be costly) do lots of research about the show itself and the performances/schools and also consider how far you will be from the Sambodrome. Also be aware that Barra da Tijuca, an upmarket suburb where the Rock in Rio festival is held, is a very considerable commuting distance from the rest of the city for anything.

'''Sao Paulo''' is the business centre of Brazil and also one of the biggest cities in the world, which makes navigation an immediate priority. Prices for punting are generally cheaper and better value than in Rio, but more travelling may be involved as they are rather spread out. (Count on a couple of subway rides and then a walk or a taxi for the last bit). The trendy heart of the city is along Avenida Paulista (south-west of the downtown/city centre) and often compared to New York’s Times Square and is a good area in which to stay. Public transport is excellent (though the bus system is complicated — use googlemaps on your phone to get GPS travel directions). The Metro system is straightforward but expect main stations that are bigger and more crowded than those of London with pedestrian flow systems in operation. Taxis are relatively inexpensive but can mount up due to the considerable distances across town that can be involved. There are no beaches and no obvious tourist attractions to compare to Rio, but it has some of the best restaurants in the world (if you can afford them) and a vibrant art scene. For regular nightlife there is no shortage of either hectic or sophisticated options. Many Paulistanos tend to be sophisticated and well-educated.

North of Rio & São Paulo are cities such as Salvador, Belo Horizonte and Belem with smaller but exciting hobby opportunities but even more so definitely not for beginners. Brazil is the biggest country in South America and travelling to the more northerly places involves internal flights or bus journeys last up to several days. Rio and São Paulo however are connected by frequent short flights and premium bus services. The south of the country can be rather cool in winter whereas the north goes from sun-baked to tropical.

== Transport ==
Brazil is an enormous country, roughly the size of the USA. '''Internal flights''' can sometimes be picked up quite cheaply. Brazilians think nothing of overnight (or 24h or more) bus journeys. '''Intercity buses''' are fairly comfortable on the whole and the ones running between Rio and Sao Paulo have deep recliner options. Trains are almost non-existent other than one or two scenic lines. Driving is not particularly recommended unless you are very familiar with the country... the big cities are more complex than London or L.A. to negotiate in and out of. Carjackling is not unknown. Roads vary from excellent to very poor.
'''Rio''' has two '''airports''': Santos Dumont, which is amazingly close to the city centre but with limited international flights, and Galeão (known as GIG) which is some distance away. Rio's city transport is very well integrated and you can pick up a '''travel card''', load it with an amount of money of your choosing, and then use it on buses, metros and the tram. (You can also pay electronically). Taxis/Ubers are very reasonable, but as with anywhere, not always available when you want one. Learning to use the bus system is safe and easy. The big bus stops have a list of buses stopping there, the bus number and the destinations. Tell the bus to stop with a firm, downward movement of the arm. When you get on, use your travel card to pass through the turnstile (if your card has run out, pay the driver using only small bills). If you are not familiar with the place where you want to get off, work out how to pronounce it in Portuguese beforehand and ask the driver or another passenger to advise you. Be polite. Don't be shocked if you are standing up and someone offers to hold your shopping on their lap for you.
'''Sao Paulo''' has three airports. The main one is Guarulhos (GRU) use for most international flights and the most developed. Beware that if you get a flight to Viracopos or Congonhas airport, the connections into the city are much poorer (Viracopos will take quite a while from downtown SP). Sao Paulo is the biggest city in the southern hemisphere. It has a highly developed but very complex transport system. As for Rio, get a card that covers all forms of public transport including the suburban train: it saves money (built in discounts with some multiple journeys), saves hassle and saves time. Taxis/Ubers are inexpensive but may be hard to find in rush hour (in rush hour, the metro, however crowded, is often quicker) and given the large distances crossing the city can eventually end up expensive.

== Apartment Rentals and where to stay ==
(RJ)If you are planning to stay more than a week then an apartment rental offers advantages over a hotel. These can be booked online or by walking into a rental agency, of which there are many in Copacabana (for instance along the parallel main streets of N.S. Copa and Barata Ribeiro). You can come and go as you please and with whom you please. There is usually no room safe -- hide your stuff under the mattress or lock it in your rucksack. Get on good terms with the security guy on the ground floor: he is God as far as that apartment building is concerned and all its comings and goings. An apartment close to a metro station may be very convenient for a beginner. Although the state of apartments -- or AirBnBs for that matter -- vary immensely, the biggest complaint is the noise of building works in an adjoining apartment. It seems someone is always knocking down or building something! One way of guarding against this is as follows. Travel light, or at most with what you can carry on your back. Check in to a hotel somewhere for your first night or two nights. Then go to a few agencies, ask what they have on offer and go and view the apartments. Most will let you leave your luggage in the agency while they send a lad with the keys to show you the flats. That way youi actually see what you are getting and can choose. A third option is an Aparthotel. This gives you a reasonably swish apartment where a maid comes daily to do the cleaning. There are often part of a complex that includes shops and a gym in the same building. If you do end up staying a hotel you may end up paying not only for a double but for an extra fee for any visitor, and all at their discretion on who comes in with you. Copacabana is the most popular tourist suburb with many apartment rentals and easy transport to other areas. Leme, Ipamema and Botafogo are also popular. Downtown (historical Lapa or central Carioca) are popular with locals or visitors already more familiar with RJ but these areas have no beach. It is best to stay in the south half of the city (Rio Sul) until you know RJ very well or have friends to stay with.
(SP) Apartment rentals seem less common in SP. Try to get a hotel reasonably close to Avenida Paulista if you can, the "Times Square" of SP.

== Currency ==
It's not a bad idea to familiarise yourself with the appearance of the notes before you go so you don't accidentally give someone ten times what you intended. It's common policy just to carry as much as you intend to spend, and to keep small notes in a separate pocket to large ones (so you don't advertise how much you're carrying when just buying a small item). Small bills can be horribly grubby, as if someone has wiped their arse with them, thrown them away, then rescued them and dried them in the sun.
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Guide to Punting in Brazil

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== Overview ==
Brazil is a major punting destination for some people. Prostitution is legal (there are no laws against adult prostitution) although it is illegal to operate a brothel or to employ prostitutes in any other way. There is a big range of punting options available, from very cheap ("trash" places) costing only a few pounds to high-flyer, which can easily set you back several hundred pounds. As Brazil combines many different ethnicities, the range of girls is also impressive. The main cities are Rio de Janeiro (a major holiday destination in its own right) and Sao Paulo. There is also well-established prostitution venues in most other major cities of the country. The country itself includes rainforests, the pantanal wetlands, near-deserted beaches away from the cities, mountain Swiss-style hideaways, vast trekking areas and a far south with an almost European flavour.

== Challenges ==
* The national language is Portuguese. Little English is spoken outside of the main tourist areas such as Rio's Copacabana.
* The currency is the Real (pronounced “Hee-arl”). Rates fluctuate considerably but approx 5Rs to the £ at time of writing.
* A direct flight from London to Rio takes about 11 hours. Although British Airways fly these regularly, cheaper flights are usually available that involve a connection in Spain, Portugal, France or the United States.
* Costs of everything, including top-level punting, have increased dramatically in recent years. Brazil is no longer a "bargain holiday" destination. Accommodation can be particularly expensive, also doubling in price during Carnaval or New Year. For stays of several weeks, the best option is usually a rented apartment. This gives you your own front door key and in almost 100% of cases complete freedom to take whoever you want back to your apartment. Apartments generally have high levels of security, located in high-rise flats and usually with concierge and gated entry.
* Recreational drugs are commonly available and used by locals but foreigners are advised to beware: police will be less lenient towards foreigners. You should also check the I.D. of any prostitute that is not very obviously over 18. Penalties are severe. If you stick to the main venues however you are unlikely to come across underage prostitutes, in spite of the media frenzy.
* Brazil's main cities are not third-world style resorts. Rio and Sao Paulo are populated with skyscrapers, a highly developed transport system (even with many shortcomings), and first-world business systems. Sao Paulo has more private helicopters than any city in the world outside of Japan. Highways have enormous multi-lane high-speed traffic – but also infamous gridlocks, especially in bad weather.
* In spite of a high level of development, things often go wrong. Particular care is needed with credit cards, and especially in Rio de Janeiro where the airport is famous for hijacked ATMs (that will clone your card). It is wise to change money at established venues (‘Cambios’), and to take care when using ATMs in town, keeping your money concealed and travelling straight back to your hotel or apartment after making a withdrawal. ATMs with security cameras or security personnel are the easiest way to withdraw safely. Note that not all credit or debit cards will work in Brazil, as not all banking systems are linked internationally to UK banking systems. You may have to try several. Sometimes there will be a limit on how much you can withdraw, or the ATMs are only open at certain hours, or the one you happen to pick might not be working (for instance if it is empty). The best places to change money are Currency Exchanges. Trying to change money at a bank can involve long delays and probably poor rates.
* One needs to be familiar with personal security at all times. Most visitors will never experience any trouble, but daylight street robberies are not so uncommon. The Brazilian way is to only carry the money you need that day, and to keep it in several different places on your person so you don't display how much you are carrying when paying for something. Most robberies in the main cities are violence free (it is not worth resisting as the robber may be armed with a knife or a gun and not hesitate to use it.) There is tourist police if you have problems, but once you get into a Brazilian way of thinking, taking normal precautions, you can relax without worrying.
* Brazilians generally are exceedingly polite and go out of their way to avoid confrontation. (Note that Brazilian politeness and European politeness are not necessarily the same!) Before accusing anyone, always ask "if there has not been some mistake." The very touristy areas, as in any country, have their sharks, but generally if you feel you have been wrongly charged it will be a mistake (whether on their part or on your part). It is also advisable to learn a few words of Portuguese. Conversations start with a good morning or good afternoon and asking, how are you? (Tudo bem? literally, everything good?). This is good practice, even in shops. Failure to observe this common courtesy marks you down in their eyes. Some of the most common tourist mistakes are talking in a loud voice (Brazilians are mostly softly spoken) and acting as if they are from a superior planet (they’re not, and acting superior just looks stupid).
* Sense of time. Planes depart on time. Not much else does. Arriving at a party at the stated time, for instance, is considered uncouth and the host might be shocked. Traffic delays can also mean times are not adhered to (for instance, an escort sent to your apartment might be unavoidably delayed).

== Punting overview ==
There are three main levels of punting, not including escort agencies, clip-joints and streetwalkers.
* '''Termas.''' These are the top level. They are similar to a luxury spa, with added punting facilities (though not to be confused with German FKKs). Mostly you will pay an entrance fee, get changed and leave your belongings in a locker, then take as long as you like to relax in the bars, saunas, restaurant and sometimes see a show while checking out the ladies that are available. With food and drink you can generally pay-as-you-go or run up a tab (to reassure yourself against mistakes that might sometimes happen, some people feel that paying cash can simplify things). When you choose a girl, you will often have the option of different levels of en-suite facilities and agree how many hours to engage her at the set rates. One of the most famous, easily accessible and quite spectacular of the Rio termas is Four-by-Four. You can find a guide to locating it at: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=241606.0 or just ask any taxi (it's in Centro, walking distance from Uruguiana Metro).
* '''Private apartments. Casas de Massagem. Clinicas.''' These offer best value at a reasonable price. In Rio de Janeiro they are mostly located in high-rise blocks near the city centre. They may be next to normal residential apartments or businesses so it is very good manners to be quiet and discrete. The receptionist will explain the prices and introduce the girls. There is no pressure to take anyone - just say "maybe another time" if there is no-one you fancy. Facilities are usually spotlessly clean and service quite good. Even at today's prices they will generally be less than half what you would pay for a similar service in the UK. They are advertised in the local papers or check ISG for latest listings (they change quite often). Prices are not normally negotiable. The ones in São Paulo tend to be bigger, more spread out around the city, and rivalling Rio for quality, service and value. Rio clinicas cxhange addresses more freuqently than those in SP. Many are located next to residential and commercial apartments (Metro Carioca) and checking local newspaper classifieds is often the quickest way of finding them. For SP, check the appropriate ISG threads. For privates, see https://www.gp-guia.net/. If your Portguese is bad, use Chrome translate. Many clinicas have at least minimal English whereas privates may speak Portuguese only.
* ''''Trash' places''' (so-called). These can be exceedingly good fun and cost next to nothing. They cater to short time punts, between ten and twenty minutes. Unlike the more expensive places, not all the girls in trash venues will be beautiful, yet you can find gems that are equal in looks to the top places if you search hard. Most are situated centrally, with a stair that has knock-shops leading off on each floor. There is never any pressure, but the scantily-clad women on the stairs may try to entice you by fondling your ass or balls as you explore the options on each level. The cabins where the action will take place after you choose are often not the best (some are, but most have very basic worn mattress and a sheet). The women however are usually very clean and shower properly between every customer. (Brazilians are almost obsessive about hygiene and washing.) The most famous trash venue was ''Vila Mimosa'', an escort run village to the West of Rio's central district, with dozens upon dozens of bars with escorts, cheap beer and loud music. Brazilians, especially Cariocas (residents of Rio de Janeiro) love to party, and if the girls aren't with a customer many of them might be shaking their dancing asses off or doing their best to flirt seductively. (Note that women in Brazil, including prostitutes, have equal standing to men and sexism is openly prohibited: Brazilian men are mostly dominant by their game.) Vila Mimosa got so much publicity that instead of being a locals-only place it is almost a tourist attraction and prices have rocketed, often charging as much for 15 minutes as you would pay for an hour in a very civilised downtown casa. It is worth trying to negotiate in most cases. Mimosa, in spite of its run-down appearance, is generally safe and it has private security (in other words, it is unwise to step out of line). In Sao Paulo, at least one main walk-up ('trash place') is in a central area next to Luz station. The area is known as 'Crackolandia' due the number of drug addicts and special care should be taken at all times. In Rio, all the main walk-ups are either in Centro or North Centro and generally considered safe. Belo Horizonte, a city further north, has a street not far from the bus station where many large, old hotels (with private security) have been converted into multi-storey trash venues.
* ''''Vila Mimosa''' A small village-like community of p4p workers, p4p-run and with its own security. It used to be a fun cheap haven until prices crept up to clinica level (clinicas being better value). Many of the rooms are ramshackle but the sheer quantity available (together with blaring music and cheap beer from each of the many p4p bars), 7 days and almost 24hrs is unique. Accessible most easily by bus, it's a block north of Praça da Bandeira on Sotero dos Reis. Alternatively the Metro stop Sao Cristovao is a short walk away, or almost any taxi driver knows it. Vila Mimosa is safe (please respoect locals), but the area immediately around it suggests normal caution.
* ''also carefully consider:''
* Streetwalkers. These are not that common in Rio or Sao Paulo. It can be hard to ensure you are not talking to a tranny if approached on Avenida Atlantica (Rio's Copacabana district) or on the edge of Lapa (Rio's historic and regular nightlife district). (Those wanting TS are advised to go online.) In the evening, girls may sometimes be found wandering between pick-up venues in Copacabana. Always negotiate on price. Bear in mind that Copacabana is also a residential area and most women are ''not'' prostitutes!
* Agencies. Standards vary, but some will have at least a receptionist that speaks enough English to help you book a girl. Prices will generally be a bit above those of the private apartments. Often the girl may bring the agency’s loose leaf folder containing photos of all their girls for future reference. Agencies are not usually the best in terms of looks and value for money but can be convenient when all else fails.
* Independents/Privates. Advertised in the local newspapers they can offer excellent value, but are as varied as anywhere else and, unless you can speak fast, fluent Portuguese on the phone, you may find yourself unable to converse. If your doorman seems liberal, you could maybe ask him to phone for you (as with anything, he will charge a small tip, whether openly or as an agreed kickback with the girl, or both).
* Part-timers. If you get to know a girl at a casa or a terma or even a trash venue, it is often quite possible to arrange to meet her outside at a reduced fee or overnight booking. Except at trash venues, this is almost always heavily frowned on by the establishments, so don't be too open about it. If you get on well with a prossie, irrespective of where you met her, she may like to hang out with you for a few days for considerations. This can save money, but she may get quite possessive, wanting to protect her 'investment.'
* Strip shows. Mostly in Copacabana. They can be entertaining if you are careful not to run up a bill but there is no guarantee of quality if you take one of the strippers back for the night, and she will generally charge more based on the venue where you met her. Negotiate on price before leaving the venue.
* Civvies. Brazilians aren't more promiscuous than any other nation (and contrary to the occasional report, are not 'open minded' about a person being a prostitute or visiting a prostitute). You may think you have found a very beautiful escort who can pass as a civvie: however, don't fool yourself: it will be blindingly obvious to a Brazilian that she is a prostitute. Don't go wearing your hobby on your lapel in polite company! Neither are civvie women likely to fall into the arms of a foreigner who is older and doesn't even speak Portuguese and is clearly on holiday looking for a quick fuck. If you are staying longer, you have more opportunities though if you a) learn some Portuguese language and manners and/or b) learn to dance. Bear in mind their are plenty of wealthy, athletic-looking young Portuguese men available, so don't expect an easy lay.
* Beach. Hook-ups can sometimes be made on Copacabana beach (especially near the Leme end, where you can also often find them at Mabs (opposite Princesa Isabel avenue); but it is also a favourite place for prostitutes to take advantage of gullible tourists. If you meet someone on the beach, maybe take her for a coffee to negotiate a price. Robberies on the beach are not uncommon and it's best only to take what you need. Topless bathing, surprisingly, is generally frowned on and even men should put a shirt on when going back onto the street. The deckchair/beer stall will usually look after your belongings if you go for a swim. Avoid the beach at night.

== Cities overview ==
'''Rio de Janeiro''' is the main tourist destination. It can be confusing to a first timer, but not nearly as much as Sao Paulo. It has numerous beautiful beaches and tourist sights, fabulous hotels, mostly good weather, and many beautiful women. It is at heart very much a party city and the beach is the 'summum bonum' of existence. The subway system is very safe. Tourists generally stay in "Rio Sul" the southern half of the city, and especially in Copacabana, Ipanema, Leme or Botafogo. For someone downtown rather than with a beach, consider Leme, which has the best nightlife. Note: If you are going explicitly for Carnaval (which can be costly) do lots of research about the show itself and the performances/schools and also consider how far you will be from the Sambodrome. Also be aware that Barra da Tijuca, an upmarket suburb where the Rock in Rio festival is held, is a very considerable commuting distance from the rest of the city for anything.

'''Sao Paulo''' is the business centre of Brazil and also one of the biggest cities in the world, which makes navigation an immediate priority. Prices for punting are generally cheaper and better value than in Rio, but more travelling may be involved as they are rather spread out. (Count on a couple of subway rides and then a walk or a taxi for the last bit). The trendy heart of the city is along Avenida Paulista (south-west of the downtown/city centre) and often compared to New York’s Times Square and is a good area in which to stay. Public transport is excellent (though the bus system is complicated — use googlemaps on your phone to get GPS travel directions). The Metro system is straightforward but expect main stations that are bigger and more crowded than those of London with pedestrian flow systems in operation. Taxis are relatively inexpensive but can mount up due to the considerable distances across town that can be involved. There are no beaches and no obvious tourist attractions to compare to Rio, but it has some of the best restaurants in the world (if you can afford them) and a vibrant art scene. For regular nightlife there is no shortage of either hectic or sophisticated options. Many Paulistanos tend to be sophisticated and well-educated.

North of Rio & São Paulo are cities such as Salvador, Belo Horizonte and Belem with smaller but exciting hobby opportunities but even more so definitely not for beginners. Brazil is the biggest country in South America and travelling to the more northerly places involves internal flights or bus journeys last up to several days. Rio and São Paulo however are connected by frequent short flights and premium bus services. The south of the country can be rather cool in winter whereas the north goes from sun-baked to tropical.

== Transport ==
Brazil is an enormous country, roughly the size of the USA. '''Internal flights''' can sometimes be picked up quite cheaply. Brazilians think nothing of overnight (or 24h or more) bus journeys. '''Intercity buses''' are fairly comfortable on the whole and the ones running between Rio and Sao Paulo have deep recliner options. Trains are almost non-existent other than one or two scenic lines. Driving is not particularly recommended unless you are very familiar with the country... the big cities are more complex than London or L.A. to negotiate in and out of. Carjackling is not unknown. Roads vary from excellent to very poor.
'''Rio''' has two '''airports''': Santos Dumont, which is amazingly close to the city centre but with limited international flights, and Galeão (known as GIG) which is some distance away. Rio's city transport is very well integrated and you can pick up a '''travel card''', load it with an amount of money of your choosing, and then use it on buses, metros and the tram. (You can also pay electronically). Taxis/Ubers are very reasonable, but as with anywhere, not always available when you want one. Learning to use the bus system is safe and easy. The big bus stops have a list of buses stopping there, the bus number and the destinations. Tell the bus to stop with a firm, downward movement of the arm. When you get on, use your travel card to pass through the turnstile (if your card has run out, pay the driver using only small bills). If you are not familiar with the place where you want to get off, work out how to pronounce it in Portuguese beforehand and ask the driver or another passenger to advise you. Be polite. Don't be shocked if you are standing up and someone offers to hold your shopping on their lap for you.
'''Sao Paulo''' has three airports. The main one is Guarulhos (GRU) use for most international flights and the most developed. Beware that if you get a flight to Viracopos or Congonhas airport, the connections into the city are much poorer (Viracopos will take quite a while from downtown SP). Sao Paulo is the biggest city in the southern hemisphere. It has a highly developed but very complex transport system. As for Rio, get a card that covers all forms of public transport including the suburban train: it saves money (built in discounts with some multiple journeys), saves hassle and saves time. Taxis/Ubers are inexpensive but may be hard to find in rush hour (in rush hour, the metro, however crowded, is often quicker) and given the large distances crossing the city can eventually end up expensive.

== Apartment Rentals (RJ) ==
If you are planning to stay more than a week then an apartment rental offers advantages over a hotel. These can be booked online or by walking into a rental agency, of which there are many in Copacabana (for instance along the parallel main streets of N.S. Copa and Barata Ribeiro). You can come and go as you please and with whom you please. There is usually no room safe -- hide your stuff under the mattress or lock it in your rucksack. Get on good terms with the security guy on the ground floor: he is God as far as that apartment building is concerned and all its comings and goings. An apartment close to a metro station may be very convenient for a beginner. Although the state of apartments -- or AirBnBs for that matter -- vary immensely, the biggest complaint is the noise of building works in an adjoining apartment. It seems someone is always knocking down or building something! One way of guarding against this is as follows. Travel light, or at most with what you can carry on your back. Check in to a hotel somewhere for your first night or two nights. Then go to a few agencies, ask what they have on offer and go and view the apartments. Most will let you leave your luggage in the agency while they send a lad with the keys to show you the flats. That way youi actually see what you are getting and can choose. A third option is an Aparthotel. This gives you a reasonably swish apartment where a maid comes daily to do the cleaning. There are often part of a complex that includes shops and a gym in the same building. If you do end up staying a hotel you may end up paying not only for a double but for an extra fee for any visitor, and all at their discretion on who comes in with you.

== Currency ==
It's not a bad idea to familiarise yourself with the appearance of the notes before you go so you don't accidentally give someone ten times what you intended. It's common policy just to carry as much as you intend to spend, and to keep small notes in a separate pocket to large ones (so you don't advertise how much you're carrying when just buying a small item). Small bills can be horribly grubby, as if someone has wiped their arse with them, thrown them away, then rescued them and dried them in the sun.
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Guide to Punting in Brazil

2022-07-07T21:06:36Z

Dan: /* Punting overview */

== Overview ==
Brazil is a major punting destination for some people. Prostitution is legal (there are no laws against adult prostitution) although it is illegal to operate a brothel or to employ prostitutes in any other way. There is a big range of punting options available, from very cheap ("trash" places) costing only a few pounds to high-flyer, which can easily set you back several hundred pounds. As Brazil combines many different ethnicities, the range of girls is also impressive. The main cities are Rio de Janeiro (a major holiday destination in its own right) and Sao Paulo. There is also well-established prostitution venues in most other major cities of the country. The country itself includes rainforests, the pantanal wetlands, near-deserted beaches away from the cities, mountain Swiss-style hideaways, vast trekking areas and a far south with an almost European flavour.

== Challenges ==
* The national language is Portuguese. Little English is spoken outside of the main tourist areas such as Rio's Copacabana.
* The currency is the Real (pronounced “Hee-arl”). Rates fluctuate considerably but approx 5Rs to the £ at time of writing.
* A direct flight from London to Rio takes about 11 hours. Although British Airways fly these regularly, cheaper flights are usually available that involve a connection in Spain, Portugal, France or the United States.
* Costs of everything, including top-level punting, have increased dramatically in recent years. Brazil is no longer a "bargain holiday" destination. Accommodation can be particularly expensive, also doubling in price during Carnaval or New Year. For stays of several weeks, the best option is usually a rented apartment. This gives you your own front door key and in almost 100% of cases complete freedom to take whoever you want back to your apartment. Apartments generally have high levels of security, located in high-rise flats and usually with concierge and gated entry.
* Recreational drugs are commonly available and used by locals but foreigners are advised to beware: police will be less lenient towards foreigners. You should also check the I.D. of any prostitute that is not very obviously over 18. Penalties are severe. If you stick to the main venues however you are unlikely to come across underage prostitutes, in spite of the media frenzy.
* Brazil's main cities are not third-world style resorts. Rio and Sao Paulo are populated with skyscrapers, a highly developed transport system (even with many shortcomings), and first-world business systems. Sao Paulo has more private helicopters than any city in the world outside of Japan. Highways have enormous multi-lane high-speed traffic – but also infamous gridlocks, especially in bad weather.
* In spite of a high level of development, things often go wrong. Particular care is needed with credit cards, and especially in Rio de Janeiro where the airport is famous for hijacked ATMs (that will clone your card). It is wise to change money at established venues (‘Cambios’), and to take care when using ATMs in town, keeping your money concealed and travelling straight back to your hotel or apartment after making a withdrawal. ATMs with security cameras or security personnel are the easiest way to withdraw safely. Note that not all credit or debit cards will work in Brazil, as not all banking systems are linked internationally to UK banking systems. You may have to try several. Sometimes there will be a limit on how much you can withdraw, or the ATMs are only open at certain hours, or the one you happen to pick might not be working (for instance if it is empty). The best places to change money are Currency Exchanges. Trying to change money at a bank can involve long delays and probably poor rates.
* One needs to be familiar with personal security at all times. Most visitors will never experience any trouble, but daylight street robberies are not so uncommon. The Brazilian way is to only carry the money you need that day, and to keep it in several different places on your person so you don't display how much you are carrying when paying for something. Most robberies in the main cities are violence free (it is not worth resisting as the robber may be armed with a knife or a gun and not hesitate to use it.) There is tourist police if you have problems, but once you get into a Brazilian way of thinking, taking normal precautions, you can relax without worrying.
* Brazilians generally are exceedingly polite and go out of their way to avoid confrontation. (Note that Brazilian politeness and European politeness are not necessarily the same!) Before accusing anyone, always ask "if there has not been some mistake." The very touristy areas, as in any country, have their sharks, but generally if you feel you have been wrongly charged it will be a mistake (whether on their part or on your part). It is also advisable to learn a few words of Portuguese. Conversations start with a good morning or good afternoon and asking, how are you? (Tudo bem? literally, everything good?). This is good practice, even in shops. Failure to observe this common courtesy marks you down in their eyes. Some of the most common tourist mistakes are talking in a loud voice (Brazilians are mostly softly spoken) and acting as if they are from a superior planet (they’re not, and acting superior just looks stupid).
* Sense of time. Planes depart on time. Not much else does. Arriving at a party at the stated time, for instance, is considered uncouth and the host might be shocked. Traffic delays can also mean times are not adhered to (for instance, an escort sent to your apartment might be unavoidably delayed).

== Punting overview ==
There are three main levels of punting, not including escort agencies, clip-joints and streetwalkers.
* '''Termas.''' These are the top level. They are similar to a luxury spa, with added punting facilities (though not to be confused with German FKKs). Mostly you will pay an entrance fee, get changed and leave your belongings in a locker, then take as long as you like to relax in the bars, saunas, restaurant and sometimes see a show while checking out the ladies that are available. With food and drink you can generally pay-as-you-go or run up a tab (to reassure yourself against mistakes that might sometimes happen, some people feel that paying cash can simplify things). When you choose a girl, you will often have the option of different levels of en-suite facilities and agree how many hours to engage her at the set rates. One of the most famous, easily accessible and quite spectacular of the Rio termas is Four-by-Four. You can find a guide to locating it at: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=241606.0 or just ask any taxi (it's in Centro, walking distance from Uruguiana Metro).
* '''Private apartments. Casas de Massagem. Clinicas.''' These offer best value at a reasonable price. In Rio de Janeiro they are mostly located in high-rise blocks near the city centre. They may be next to normal residential apartments or businesses so it is very good manners to be quiet and discrete. The receptionist will explain the prices and introduce the girls. There is no pressure to take anyone - just say "maybe another time" if there is no-one you fancy. Facilities are usually spotlessly clean and service quite good. Even at today's prices they will generally be less than half what you would pay for a similar service in the UK. They are advertised in the local papers or check ISG for latest listings (they change quite often). Prices are not normally negotiable. The ones in São Paulo tend to be bigger, more spread out around the city, and rivalling Rio for quality, service and value. Rio clinicas cxhange addresses more freuqently than those in SP. Many are located next to residential and commercial apartments (Metro Carioca) and checking local newspaper classifieds is often the quickest way of finding them. For SP, check the appropriate ISG threads. For privates, see https://www.gp-guia.net/. If your Portguese is bad, use Chrome translate. Many clinicas have at least minimal English whereas privates may speak Portuguese only.
* ''''Trash' places''' (so-called). These can be exceedingly good fun and cost next to nothing. They cater to short time punts, between ten and twenty minutes. Unlike the more expensive places, not all the girls in trash venues will be beautiful, yet you can find gems that are equal in looks to the top places if you search hard. Most are situated centrally, with a stair that has knock-shops leading off on each floor. There is never any pressure, but the scantily-clad women on the stairs may try to entice you by fondling your ass or balls as you explore the options on each level. The cabins where the action will take place after you choose are often not the best (some are, but most have very basic worn mattress and a sheet). The women however are usually very clean and shower properly between every customer. (Brazilians are almost obsessive about hygiene and washing.) The most famous trash venue was ''Vila Mimosa'', an escort run village to the West of Rio's central district, with dozens upon dozens of bars with escorts, cheap beer and loud music. Brazilians, especially Cariocas (residents of Rio de Janeiro) love to party, and if the girls aren't with a customer many of them might be shaking their dancing asses off or doing their best to flirt seductively. (Note that women in Brazil, including prostitutes, have equal standing to men and sexism is openly prohibited: Brazilian men are mostly dominant by their game.) Vila Mimosa got so much publicity that instead of being a locals-only place it is almost a tourist attraction and prices have rocketed, often charging as much for 15 minutes as you would pay for an hour in a very civilised downtown casa. It is worth trying to negotiate in most cases. Mimosa, in spite of its run-down appearance, is generally safe and it has private security (in other words, it is unwise to step out of line). In Sao Paulo, at least one main walk-up ('trash place') is in a central area next to Luz station. The area is known as 'Crackolandia' due the number of drug addicts and special care should be taken at all times. In Rio, all the main walk-ups are either in Centro or North Centro and generally considered safe. Belo Horizonte, a city further north, has a street not far from the bus station where many large, old hotels (with private security) have been converted into multi-storey trash venues.
* ''''Vila Mimosa''' A small village-like community of p4p workers, p4p-run and with its own security. It used to be a fun cheap haven until prices crept up to clinica level (clinicas being better value). Many of the rooms are ramshackle but the sheer quantity available (together with blaring music and cheap beer from each of the many p4p bars), 7 days and almost 24hrs is unique. Accessible most easily by bus, it's a block north of Praça da Bandeira on Sotero dos Reis. Alternatively the Metro stop Sao Cristovao is a short walk away, or almost any taxi driver knows it. Vila Mimosa is safe (please respoect locals), but the area immediately around it suggests normal caution.
* ''also carefully consider:''
* Streetwalkers. These are not that common in Rio or Sao Paulo. It can be hard to ensure you are not talking to a tranny if approached on Avenida Atlantica (Rio's Copacabana district) or on the edge of Lapa (Rio's historic and regular nightlife district). (Those wanting TS are advised to go online.) In the evening, girls may sometimes be found wandering between pick-up venues in Copacabana. Always negotiate on price. Bear in mind that Copacabana is also a residential area and most women are ''not'' prostitutes!
* Agencies. Standards vary, but some will have at least a receptionist that speaks enough English to help you book a girl. Prices will generally be a bit above those of the private apartments. Often the girl may bring the agency’s loose leaf folder containing photos of all their girls for future reference. Agencies are not usually the best in terms of looks and value for money but can be convenient when all else fails.
* Independents/Privates. Advertised in the local newspapers they can offer excellent value, but are as varied as anywhere else and, unless you can speak fast, fluent Portuguese on the phone, you may find yourself unable to converse. If your doorman seems liberal, you could maybe ask him to phone for you (as with anything, he will charge a small tip, whether openly or as an agreed kickback with the girl, or both).
* Part-timers. If you get to know a girl at a casa or a terma or even a trash venue, it is often quite possible to arrange to meet her outside at a reduced fee or overnight booking. Except at trash venues, this is almost always heavily frowned on by the establishments, so don't be too open about it. If you get on well with a prossie, irrespective of where you met her, she may like to hang out with you for a few days for considerations. This can save money, but she may get quite possessive, wanting to protect her 'investment.'
* Strip shows. Mostly in Copacabana. They can be entertaining if you are careful not to run up a bill but there is no guarantee of quality if you take one of the strippers back for the night, and she will generally charge more based on the venue where you met her. Negotiate on price before leaving the venue.
* Civvies. Brazilians aren't more promiscuous than any other nation (and contrary to the occasional report, are not 'open minded' about a person being a prostitute or visiting a prostitute). You may think you have found a very beautiful escort who can pass as a civvie: however, don't fool yourself: it will be blindingly obvious to a Brazilian that she is a prostitute. Don't go wearing your hobby on your lapel in polite company! Neither are civvie women likely to fall into the arms of a foreigner who is older and doesn't even speak Portuguese and is clearly on holiday looking for a quick fuck. If you are staying longer, you have more opportunities though if you a) learn some Portuguese language and manners and/or b) learn to dance. Bear in mind their are plenty of wealthy, athletic-looking young Portuguese men available, so don't expect an easy lay.
* Beach. Hook-ups can sometimes be made on Copacabana beach (especially near the Leme end, where you can also often find them at Mabs (opposite Princesa Isabel avenue); but it is also a favourite place for prostitutes to take advantage of gullible tourists. If you meet someone on the beach, maybe take her for a coffee to negotiate a price. Robberies on the beach are not uncommon and it's best only to take what you need. Topless bathing, surprisingly, is generally frowned on and even men should put a shirt on when going back onto the street. The deckchair/beer stall will usually look after your belongings if you go for a swim. Avoid the beach at night.

== Cities overview ==
'''Rio de Janeiro''' is the main tourist destination. It can be confusing to a first timer, but not nearly as much as Sao Paulo. It has numerous beautiful beaches and tourist sights, fabulous hotels, mostly good weather, and many beautiful women. It is at heart very much a party city and the beach is the 'summum bonum' of existence. The subway system is very safe. Tourists generally stay in "Rio Sul" the southern half of the city, and especially in Copacabana, Ipanema, Leme or Botafogo. For someone downtown rather than with a beach, consider Leme, which has the best nightlife. Note: If you are going explicitly for Carnaval (which can be costly) do lots of research about the show itself and the performances/schools and also consider how far you will be from the Sambodrome. Also be aware that Barra da Tijuca, an upmarket suburb where the Rock in Rio festival is held, is a very considerable commuting distance from the rest of the city for anything.

'''Sao Paulo''' is the business centre of Brazil and also one of the biggest cities in the world, which makes navigation an immediate priority. Prices for punting are generally cheaper and better value than in Rio, but more travelling may be involved as they are rather spread out. (Count on a couple of subway rides and then a walk or a taxi for the last bit). The trendy heart of the city is along Avenida Paulista (south-west of the downtown/city centre) and often compared to New York’s Times Square and is a good area in which to stay. Public transport is excellent (though the bus system is complicated — use googlemaps on your phone to get GPS travel directions). The Metro system is straightforward but expect main stations that are bigger and more crowded than those of London with pedestrian flow systems in operation. Taxis are relatively inexpensive but can mount up due to the considerable distances across town that can be involved. There are no beaches and no obvious tourist attractions to compare to Rio, but it has some of the best restaurants in the world (if you can afford them) and a vibrant art scene. For regular nightlife there is no shortage of either hectic or sophisticated options. Many Paulistanos tend to be sophisticated and well-educated.

North of Rio & São Paulo are cities such as Salvador, Belo Horizonte and Belem with smaller but exciting hobby opportunities but even more so definitely not for beginners. Brazil is the biggest country in South America and travelling to the more northerly places involves internal flights or bus journeys last up to several days. Rio and São Paulo however are connected by frequent short flights and premium bus services. The south of the country can be rather cool in winter whereas the north goes from sun-baked to tropical.

== Transport ==
Brazil is an enormous country, roughly the size of the USA. Internal flights can sometimes be picked up quite cheaply. Brazilians think nothing of overnight (or 24h or more) bus journeys. Intercity buses are fairly comfortable on the whole and the ones running between Rio and Sao Paulo have deep recliner options. Trains are almost non-existent other than one or two scenic lines. Driving is not particularly recommended unless you are very familiar with the country... the big cities are more complex than London or L.A. to negotiate in and out of. Carjackling is not unknown. Roads vary from excellent to very poor.
'''Rio''' has two airports: Santos Dumont, which is amazingly close to the city centre but with limited international flights, and Galeão (known as GIG) which is some distance away. Rio's city transport is very well integrated and you can pick up a card, load it with an amount of money of your choosing, and then use it on buses, metros and the tram. Taxis/Ubers are very reasonable, but as with anywhere, not always available when you want one. Learning to use the bus system is safe and easy. The big bus stops have a list of buses stopping there, the bus number and the destinations. Tell the bus to stop with a firm, downward movement of the arm. When you get on, use your travel card to pass through the turnstile (if your card has run out, pay the driver using only small bills). If you are not familiar with the place where you want to get off, work out how to pronounce it in Portuguese beforehand and ask the driver or another passenger to advise you. Be polite. Don't be shocked if you are standing up and someone offers to hold your shopping on their lap for you.
'''Sao Paulo''' has three airports. The main one is Guarulhos (GRU) use for most international flights and the most developed. Beware that if you get a flight to Viracopos or Congonhas airport, the connections into the city are much poorer (Viracopos will take quite a while from downtown SP). Sao Paulo is the biggest city in the southern hemisphere. It has a highly developed but very complex transport system. As for Rio, get a card that covers all forms of public transport including the suburban train. Taxis/Ubers are inexpensive but may be hard to find in rush hour (in rush hour, the metro, however crowded, is often quicker).

== Apartment Rentals (RJ) ==
If you are planning to stay more than a week then an apartment rental offers advantages over a hotel. These can be booked online or by walking into a rental agency, of which there are many in Copacabana (for instance along the parallel main streets of N.S. Copa and Barata Ribeiro). You can come and go as you please and with whom you please. There is usually no room safe -- hide your stuff under the mattress or lock it in your rucksack. Get on good terms with the security guy on the ground floor: he is God as far as that apartment building is concerned and all its comings and goings. An apartment close to a metro station may be very convenient for a beginner. Although the state of apartments -- or AirBnBs for that matter -- vary immensely, the biggest complaint is the noise of building works in an adjoining apartment. It seems someone is always knocking down or building something! One way of guarding against this is as follows. Travel light, or at most with what you can carry on your back. Check in to a hotel somewhere for your first night or two nights. Then go to a few agencies, ask what they have on offer and go and view the apartments. Most will let you leave your luggage in the agency while they send a lad with the keys to show you the flats. That way youi actually see what you are getting and can choose. A third option is an Aparthotel. This gives you a reasonably swish apartment where a maid comes daily to do the cleaning. There are often part of a complex that includes shops and a gym in the same building. If you do end up staying a hotel you may end up paying not only for a double but for an extra fee for any visitor, and all at their discretion on who comes in with you.

== Currency ==
It's not a bad idea to familiarise yourself with the appearance of the notes before you go so you don't accidentally give someone ten times what you intended. It's common policy just to carry as much as you intend to spend, and to keep small notes in a separate pocket to large ones (so you don't advertise how much you're carrying when just buying a small item). Small bills can be horribly grubby, as if someone has wiped their arse with them, thrown them away, then rescued them and dried them in the sun.
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Guide to Punting in Brazil

2022-07-07T21:04:30Z

Dan: /* Punting overview */

== Overview ==
Brazil is a major punting destination for some people. Prostitution is legal (there are no laws against adult prostitution) although it is illegal to operate a brothel or to employ prostitutes in any other way. There is a big range of punting options available, from very cheap ("trash" places) costing only a few pounds to high-flyer, which can easily set you back several hundred pounds. As Brazil combines many different ethnicities, the range of girls is also impressive. The main cities are Rio de Janeiro (a major holiday destination in its own right) and Sao Paulo. There is also well-established prostitution venues in most other major cities of the country. The country itself includes rainforests, the pantanal wetlands, near-deserted beaches away from the cities, mountain Swiss-style hideaways, vast trekking areas and a far south with an almost European flavour.

== Challenges ==
* The national language is Portuguese. Little English is spoken outside of the main tourist areas such as Rio's Copacabana.
* The currency is the Real (pronounced “Hee-arl”). Rates fluctuate considerably but approx 5Rs to the £ at time of writing.
* A direct flight from London to Rio takes about 11 hours. Although British Airways fly these regularly, cheaper flights are usually available that involve a connection in Spain, Portugal, France or the United States.
* Costs of everything, including top-level punting, have increased dramatically in recent years. Brazil is no longer a "bargain holiday" destination. Accommodation can be particularly expensive, also doubling in price during Carnaval or New Year. For stays of several weeks, the best option is usually a rented apartment. This gives you your own front door key and in almost 100% of cases complete freedom to take whoever you want back to your apartment. Apartments generally have high levels of security, located in high-rise flats and usually with concierge and gated entry.
* Recreational drugs are commonly available and used by locals but foreigners are advised to beware: police will be less lenient towards foreigners. You should also check the I.D. of any prostitute that is not very obviously over 18. Penalties are severe. If you stick to the main venues however you are unlikely to come across underage prostitutes, in spite of the media frenzy.
* Brazil's main cities are not third-world style resorts. Rio and Sao Paulo are populated with skyscrapers, a highly developed transport system (even with many shortcomings), and first-world business systems. Sao Paulo has more private helicopters than any city in the world outside of Japan. Highways have enormous multi-lane high-speed traffic – but also infamous gridlocks, especially in bad weather.
* In spite of a high level of development, things often go wrong. Particular care is needed with credit cards, and especially in Rio de Janeiro where the airport is famous for hijacked ATMs (that will clone your card). It is wise to change money at established venues (‘Cambios’), and to take care when using ATMs in town, keeping your money concealed and travelling straight back to your hotel or apartment after making a withdrawal. ATMs with security cameras or security personnel are the easiest way to withdraw safely. Note that not all credit or debit cards will work in Brazil, as not all banking systems are linked internationally to UK banking systems. You may have to try several. Sometimes there will be a limit on how much you can withdraw, or the ATMs are only open at certain hours, or the one you happen to pick might not be working (for instance if it is empty). The best places to change money are Currency Exchanges. Trying to change money at a bank can involve long delays and probably poor rates.
* One needs to be familiar with personal security at all times. Most visitors will never experience any trouble, but daylight street robberies are not so uncommon. The Brazilian way is to only carry the money you need that day, and to keep it in several different places on your person so you don't display how much you are carrying when paying for something. Most robberies in the main cities are violence free (it is not worth resisting as the robber may be armed with a knife or a gun and not hesitate to use it.) There is tourist police if you have problems, but once you get into a Brazilian way of thinking, taking normal precautions, you can relax without worrying.
* Brazilians generally are exceedingly polite and go out of their way to avoid confrontation. (Note that Brazilian politeness and European politeness are not necessarily the same!) Before accusing anyone, always ask "if there has not been some mistake." The very touristy areas, as in any country, have their sharks, but generally if you feel you have been wrongly charged it will be a mistake (whether on their part or on your part). It is also advisable to learn a few words of Portuguese. Conversations start with a good morning or good afternoon and asking, how are you? (Tudo bem? literally, everything good?). This is good practice, even in shops. Failure to observe this common courtesy marks you down in their eyes. Some of the most common tourist mistakes are talking in a loud voice (Brazilians are mostly softly spoken) and acting as if they are from a superior planet (they’re not, and acting superior just looks stupid).
* Sense of time. Planes depart on time. Not much else does. Arriving at a party at the stated time, for instance, is considered uncouth and the host might be shocked. Traffic delays can also mean times are not adhered to (for instance, an escort sent to your apartment might be unavoidably delayed).

== Punting overview ==
There are three main levels of punting, not including escort agencies, clip-joints and streetwalkers.
* '''Termas.''' These are the top level. They are similar to a luxury spa, with added punting facilities (though not to be confused with German FKKs). Mostly you will pay an entrance fee, get changed and leave your belongings in a locker, then take as long as you like to relax in the bars, saunas, restaurant and sometimes see a show while checking out the ladies that are available. With food and drink you can generally pay-as-you-go or run up a tab (to reassure yourself against mistakes that might sometimes happen, some people feel that paying cash can simplify things). When you choose a girl, you will often have the option of different levels of en-suite facilities and agree how many hours to engage her at the set rates. One of the most famous, easily accessible and quite spectacular of the Rio termas is Four-by-Four. You can find a guide to locating it at: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=241606.0 or just ask any taxi (it's in Centro, walking distance from Uruguiana Metro).
* '''Private apartments. Casas de Massagem. Clinicas.''' These offer best value at a reasonable price. In Rio de Janeiro they are mostly located in high-rise blocks near the city centre. They may be next to normal residential apartments or businesses so it is very good manners to be quiet and discrete. The receptionist will explain the prices and introduce the girls. There is no pressure to take anyone - just say "maybe another time" if there is no-one you fancy. Facilities are usually spotlessly clean and service quite good. Even at today's prices they will generally be less than half what you would pay for a similar service in the UK. They are advertised in the local papers or check ISG for latest listings (they change quite often). Prices are not normally negotiable. The ones in São Paulo tend to be bigger, more spread out around the city, and rivalling Rio for quality, service and value. Rio clinicas cxhange addresses more freuqently than those in SP. Many are located next to residential and commercial apartments (Metro Carioca) and checking local newspaper classifieds is often the quickest way of finding them. For SP, check the appropriate ISG threads. For privates, see https://www.gp-guia.net/. If your Portguese is bad, use Chrome translate. Many clinicas have at least minimal English whereas privates may speak Portuguese only.
* ''''Trash' places''' (so-called). These can be exceedingly good fun and cost next to nothing. They cater to short time punts, between ten and twenty minutes. Unlike the more expensive places, not all the girls in trash venues will be beautiful, yet you can find gems that are equal in looks to the top places if you search hard. Most are situated centrally, with a stair that has knock-shops leading off on each floor. There is never any pressure, but the scantily-clad women on the stairs may try to entice you by fondling your ass or balls as you explore the options on each level. The cabins where the action will take place after you choose are often not the best (some are, but most have very basic worn mattress and a sheet). The women however are usually very clean and shower properly between every customer. (Brazilians are almost obsessive about hygiene and washing.) The most famous trash venue was ''Vila Mimosa'', an escort run village to the West of Rio's central district, with dozens upon dozens of bars with escorts, cheap beer and loud music. Brazilians, especially Cariocas (residents of Rio de Janeiro) love to party, and if the girls aren't with a customer many of them might be shaking their dancing asses off or doing their best to flirt seductively. (Note that women in Brazil, including prostitutes, have equal standing to men and sexism is openly prohibited: Brazilian men are mostly dominant by their game.) Vila Mimosa got so much publicity that instead of being a locals-only place it is almost a tourist attraction and prices have rocketed, often charging as much for 15 minutes as you would pay for an hour in a very civilised downtown casa. It is worth trying to negotiate in most cases. Mimosa, in spite of its run-down appearance, is generally safe and it has private security (in other words, it is unwise to step out of line). In Sao Paulo, at least one main walk-up ('trash place') is in a central area next to Luz station. The area is known as 'Crackolandia' due the number of drug addicts and special care should be taken at all times. In Rio, all the main walk-ups are either in Centro or North Centro and generally considered safe. Belo Horizonte, a city further north, has a street not far from the bus station where many large, old hotels (with private security) have been converted into multi-storey trash venues.
* ''''Vila Mimosa''' A small village-like community of p4p workers, p4p-run and with its own security. It used to be a fun cheap haven until prices crept up to clinica level (clinicas being better value). Many of the rooms are ramshackle but the sheer quantity available (together with blaring music and cheap beer from each of the many p4p bars), 7 days and almost 24hrs is unique. Accessible most easily by bus, it's a block north of Praça da Bandeira on Sotero dos Reis. Alternatively the Metro stop Sao Cristovao is a short walk away, or almost any taxi driver knows it. Vila Mimosa is safe (please respoect locals), but the area immediately around it suggests normal caution.
* ''also carefully consider:''
* Streetwalkers. These are not that common in Rio or Sao Paulo. It can be hard to ensure you are not talking to a tranny if approached on Avenida Atlantica (Rio's Copacabana district) or on the edge of Lapa (Rio's historic and regular nightlife district). (Those wanting TS are advised to go online.) In the evening, girls may sometimes be found wandering between pick-up venues in Copacabana. Always negotiate on price. Bear in mind that Copacabana is also a residential area and most women are ''not'' prostitutes!
* Agencies. Standards vary, but some will have at least a receptionist that speaks enough English to help you book a girl. Prices will generally be a bit above those of the private apartments. Often the girl may bring the agency’s loose leaf folder containing photos of all their girls for future reference. Agencies are not usually the best in terms of looks and value for money but can be convenient when all else fails.
* Independents/Privates. Advertised in the local newspapers they can offer excellent value, but are as varied as anywhere else and, unless you can speak fast, fluent Portuguese on the phone, you may find yourself unable to converse. If your doorman seems liberal, you could maybe ask him to phone for you (as with anything, he will charge a small tip, whether openly or as an agreed kickback with the girl, or both).
* Part-timers. If you get to know a girl at a casa or a terma or even a trash venue, it is often quite possible to arrange to meet her outside at a reduced fee or overnight booking. Except at trash venues, this is almost always heavily frowned on by the establishments, so don't be too open about it. If you get on well with a prossie, irrespective of where you met her, she may like to hang out with you for a few days for considerations. This can save money, but she may get quite possessive, wanting to protect her 'investment.'
* Strip shows. Mostly in Copacabana. They can be entertaining if you are careful not to run up a bill but there is no guarantee of quality if you take one of the strippers back for the night, and she will generally charge more based on the venue where you met her. Negotiate on price before leaving the venue.
* Civvies. Brazilians aren't more promiscuous than any other nation (and contrary to the occasional report, are not 'open minded' about a person being a prostitute or visiting a prostitute). You may think you have found a very beautiful escort who can pass as a civvie: however, don't fool yourself: it will be blindingly obvious to a Brazilian that she is a prostitute. Don't go wearing your hobby on your lapel in polite company! Neither are civvie women likely to fall into the arms of a foreigner who is older and doesn't even speak Portuguese and is clearly on holiday looking for a quick fuck. If you are staying longer, you have more opportunities though if you a) learn some Portuguese language and manners and/or b) learn to dance. Bear in mind their are plenty of wealthy, athletic-looking young Portuguese men available, so don't expect an easy lay.
* Beach. Hook-ups can sometimes be made on Copacabana beach but it is also a favourite place for prostitutes to take advantage of gullible tourists. If you meet someone on the beach, maybe take her for a coffee to negotiate a price. Robberies on the beach are not uncommon and it's best only to take what you need. Topless bathing, surprisingly, is generally frowned on and even men should put a shirt on when going back onto the street. The deckchair/beer stall will usually look after your belongings if you go for a swim. Avoid the beach at night.

== Cities overview ==
'''Rio de Janeiro''' is the main tourist destination. It can be confusing to a first timer, but not nearly as much as Sao Paulo. It has numerous beautiful beaches and tourist sights, fabulous hotels, mostly good weather, and many beautiful women. It is at heart very much a party city and the beach is the 'summum bonum' of existence. The subway system is very safe. Tourists generally stay in "Rio Sul" the southern half of the city, and especially in Copacabana, Ipanema, Leme or Botafogo. For someone downtown rather than with a beach, consider Leme, which has the best nightlife. Note: If you are going explicitly for Carnaval (which can be costly) do lots of research about the show itself and the performances/schools and also consider how far you will be from the Sambodrome. Also be aware that Barra da Tijuca, an upmarket suburb where the Rock in Rio festival is held, is a very considerable commuting distance from the rest of the city for anything.

'''Sao Paulo''' is the business centre of Brazil and also one of the biggest cities in the world, which makes navigation an immediate priority. Prices for punting are generally cheaper and better value than in Rio, but more travelling may be involved as they are rather spread out. (Count on a couple of subway rides and then a walk or a taxi for the last bit). The trendy heart of the city is along Avenida Paulista (south-west of the downtown/city centre) and often compared to New York’s Times Square and is a good area in which to stay. Public transport is excellent (though the bus system is complicated — use googlemaps on your phone to get GPS travel directions). The Metro system is straightforward but expect main stations that are bigger and more crowded than those of London with pedestrian flow systems in operation. Taxis are relatively inexpensive but can mount up due to the considerable distances across town that can be involved. There are no beaches and no obvious tourist attractions to compare to Rio, but it has some of the best restaurants in the world (if you can afford them) and a vibrant art scene. For regular nightlife there is no shortage of either hectic or sophisticated options. Many Paulistanos tend to be sophisticated and well-educated.

North of Rio & São Paulo are cities such as Salvador, Belo Horizonte and Belem with smaller but exciting hobby opportunities but even more so definitely not for beginners. Brazil is the biggest country in South America and travelling to the more northerly places involves internal flights or bus journeys last up to several days. Rio and São Paulo however are connected by frequent short flights and premium bus services. The south of the country can be rather cool in winter whereas the north goes from sun-baked to tropical.

== Transport ==
Brazil is an enormous country, roughly the size of the USA. Internal flights can sometimes be picked up quite cheaply. Brazilians think nothing of overnight (or 24h or more) bus journeys. Intercity buses are fairly comfortable on the whole and the ones running between Rio and Sao Paulo have deep recliner options. Trains are almost non-existent other than one or two scenic lines. Driving is not particularly recommended unless you are very familiar with the country... the big cities are more complex than London or L.A. to negotiate in and out of. Carjackling is not unknown. Roads vary from excellent to very poor.
'''Rio''' has two airports: Santos Dumont, which is amazingly close to the city centre but with limited international flights, and Galeão (known as GIG) which is some distance away. Rio's city transport is very well integrated and you can pick up a card, load it with an amount of money of your choosing, and then use it on buses, metros and the tram. Taxis/Ubers are very reasonable, but as with anywhere, not always available when you want one. Learning to use the bus system is safe and easy. The big bus stops have a list of buses stopping there, the bus number and the destinations. Tell the bus to stop with a firm, downward movement of the arm. When you get on, use your travel card to pass through the turnstile (if your card has run out, pay the driver using only small bills). If you are not familiar with the place where you want to get off, work out how to pronounce it in Portuguese beforehand and ask the driver or another passenger to advise you. Be polite. Don't be shocked if you are standing up and someone offers to hold your shopping on their lap for you.
'''Sao Paulo''' has three airports. The main one is Guarulhos (GRU) use for most international flights and the most developed. Beware that if you get a flight to Viracopos or Congonhas airport, the connections into the city are much poorer (Viracopos will take quite a while from downtown SP). Sao Paulo is the biggest city in the southern hemisphere. It has a highly developed but very complex transport system. As for Rio, get a card that covers all forms of public transport including the suburban train. Taxis/Ubers are inexpensive but may be hard to find in rush hour (in rush hour, the metro, however crowded, is often quicker).

== Apartment Rentals (RJ) ==
If you are planning to stay more than a week then an apartment rental offers advantages over a hotel. These can be booked online or by walking into a rental agency, of which there are many in Copacabana (for instance along the parallel main streets of N.S. Copa and Barata Ribeiro). You can come and go as you please and with whom you please. There is usually no room safe -- hide your stuff under the mattress or lock it in your rucksack. Get on good terms with the security guy on the ground floor: he is God as far as that apartment building is concerned and all its comings and goings. An apartment close to a metro station may be very convenient for a beginner. Although the state of apartments -- or AirBnBs for that matter -- vary immensely, the biggest complaint is the noise of building works in an adjoining apartment. It seems someone is always knocking down or building something! One way of guarding against this is as follows. Travel light, or at most with what you can carry on your back. Check in to a hotel somewhere for your first night or two nights. Then go to a few agencies, ask what they have on offer and go and view the apartments. Most will let you leave your luggage in the agency while they send a lad with the keys to show you the flats. That way youi actually see what you are getting and can choose. A third option is an Aparthotel. This gives you a reasonably swish apartment where a maid comes daily to do the cleaning. There are often part of a complex that includes shops and a gym in the same building. If you do end up staying a hotel you may end up paying not only for a double but for an extra fee for any visitor, and all at their discretion on who comes in with you.

== Currency ==
It's not a bad idea to familiarise yourself with the appearance of the notes before you go so you don't accidentally give someone ten times what you intended. It's common policy just to carry as much as you intend to spend, and to keep small notes in a separate pocket to large ones (so you don't advertise how much you're carrying when just buying a small item). Small bills can be horribly grubby, as if someone has wiped their arse with them, thrown them away, then rescued them and dried them in the sun.
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Guide to Punting in Brazil

2022-07-02T20:51:28Z

Dan: update with added details, guidance

== Overview ==
Brazil is a major punting destination for some people. Prostitution is legal (there are no laws against adult prostitution) although it is illegal to operate a brothel or to employ prostitutes in any other way. There is a big range of punting options available, from very cheap ("trash" places) costing only a few pounds to high-flyer, which can easily set you back several hundred pounds. As Brazil combines many different ethnicities, the range of girls is also impressive. The main cities are Rio de Janeiro (a major holiday destination in its own right) and Sao Paulo. There is also well-established prostitution venues in most other major cities of the country. The country itself includes rainforests, the pantanal wetlands, near-deserted beaches away from the cities, mountain Swiss-style hideaways, vast trekking areas and a far south with an almost European flavour.

== Challenges ==
* The national language is Portuguese. Little English is spoken outside of the main tourist areas such as Rio's Copacabana.
* The currency is the Real (pronounced “Hee-arl”). Rates fluctuate considerably but approx 5Rs to the £ at time of writing.
* A direct flight from London to Rio takes about 11 hours. Although British Airways fly these regularly, cheaper flights are usually available that involve a connection in Spain, Portugal, France or the United States.
* Costs of everything, including top-level punting, have increased dramatically in recent years. Brazil is no longer a "bargain holiday" destination. Accommodation can be particularly expensive, also doubling in price during Carnaval or New Year. For stays of several weeks, the best option is usually a rented apartment. This gives you your own front door key and in almost 100% of cases complete freedom to take whoever you want back to your apartment. Apartments generally have high levels of security, located in high-rise flats and usually with concierge and gated entry.
* Recreational drugs are commonly available and used by locals but foreigners are advised to beware: police will be less lenient towards foreigners. You should also check the I.D. of any prostitute that is not very obviously over 18. Penalties are severe. If you stick to the main venues however you are unlikely to come across underage prostitutes, in spite of the media frenzy.
* Brazil's main cities are not third-world style resorts. Rio and Sao Paulo are populated with skyscrapers, a highly developed transport system (even with many shortcomings), and first-world business systems. Sao Paulo has more private helicopters than any city in the world outside of Japan. Highways have enormous multi-lane high-speed traffic – but also infamous gridlocks, especially in bad weather.
* In spite of a high level of development, things often go wrong. Particular care is needed with credit cards, and especially in Rio de Janeiro where the airport is famous for hijacked ATMs (that will clone your card). It is wise to change money at established venues (‘Cambios’), and to take care when using ATMs in town, keeping your money concealed and travelling straight back to your hotel or apartment after making a withdrawal. ATMs with security cameras or security personnel are the easiest way to withdraw safely. Note that not all credit or debit cards will work in Brazil, as not all banking systems are linked internationally to UK banking systems. You may have to try several. Sometimes there will be a limit on how much you can withdraw, or the ATMs are only open at certain hours, or the one you happen to pick might not be working (for instance if it is empty). The best places to change money are Currency Exchanges. Trying to change money at a bank can involve long delays and probably poor rates.
* One needs to be familiar with personal security at all times. Most visitors will never experience any trouble, but daylight street robberies are not so uncommon. The Brazilian way is to only carry the money you need that day, and to keep it in several different places on your person so you don't display how much you are carrying when paying for something. Most robberies in the main cities are violence free (it is not worth resisting as the robber may be armed with a knife or a gun and not hesitate to use it.) There is tourist police if you have problems, but once you get into a Brazilian way of thinking, taking normal precautions, you can relax without worrying.
* Brazilians generally are exceedingly polite and go out of their way to avoid confrontation. (Note that Brazilian politeness and European politeness are not necessarily the same!) Before accusing anyone, always ask "if there has not been some mistake." The very touristy areas, as in any country, have their sharks, but generally if you feel you have been wrongly charged it will be a mistake (whether on their part or on your part). It is also advisable to learn a few words of Portuguese. Conversations start with a good morning or good afternoon and asking, how are you? (Tudo bem? literally, everything good?). This is good practice, even in shops. Failure to observe this common courtesy marks you down in their eyes. Some of the most common tourist mistakes are talking in a loud voice (Brazilians are mostly softly spoken) and acting as if they are from a superior planet (they’re not, and acting superior just looks stupid).
* Sense of time. Planes depart on time. Not much else does. Arriving at a party at the stated time, for instance, is considered uncouth and the host might be shocked. Traffic delays can also mean times are not adhered to (for instance, an escort sent to your apartment might be unavoidably delayed).

== Punting overview ==
There are three main levels of punting, not including escort agencies, clip-joints and streetwalkers.
* '''Termas.''' These are the top level. They are similar to a luxury spa, with added punting facilities (though not to be confused with German FKKs). Mostly you will pay an entrance fee, get changed and leave your belongings in a locker, then take as long as you like to relax in the bars, saunas, restaurant and sometimes see a show while checking out the ladies that are available. With food and drink you can generally pay-as-you-go or run up a tab (to reassure yourself against mistakes that might sometimes happen, some people feel that paying cash can simplify things). When you choose a girl, you will often have the option of different levels of en-suite facilities and agree how many hours to engage her at the set rates. One of the most famous, easily accessible and quite spectacular of the Rio termas is Four-by-Four. You can find a guide to locating it at: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=241606.0
* '''Private apartments. Casas de Massagem. Clinicas.''' These offer best value at a reasonable price. In Rio de Janeiro they are mostly located in high-rise blocks near the city centre. They may be next to normal residential apartments or businesses so it is very good manners to be quiet and discrete. The receptionist will explain the prices and introduce the girls. There is no pressure to take anyone - just say "maybe another time" if there is no-one you fancy. Facilities are usually spotlessly clean and service quite good. Even at today's prices they will generally be less than half what you would pay for a similar service in the UK. They are advertised in the local papers or check ISG for latest listings (they change quite often). Prices are not normally negotiable. The ones in São Paulo tend to be bigger, more spread out around the city, and rivalling Rio for quality, service and value.
* ''''Trash' places''' (so-called). These can be exceedingly good fun and cost next to nothing. They cater to short time punts, between ten and twenty minutes. Unlike the more expensive places, not all the girls in trash venues will be beautiful, yet you can find gems that are equal in looks to the top places if you search hard. Most are situated centrally, with a stair that has knock-shops leading off on each floor. There is never any pressure, but the scantily-clad women on the stairs may try to entice you by fondling your ass or balls as you explore the options on each level. The cabins where the action will take place after you choose are often not the best (some are, but most have very basic worn mattress and a sheet). The women however are usually very clean and shower properly between every customer. (Brazilians are almost obsessive about hygiene and washing.) The most famous trash venue was ''Vila Mimosa'', an escort run village to the West of Rio's central district, with dozens upon dozens of bars with escorts, cheap beer and loud music. Brazilians, especially Cariocas (residents of Rio de Janeiro) love to party, and if the girls aren't with a customer many of them might be shaking their dancing asses off or doing their best to flirt seductively. (Note that women in Brazil, including prostitutes, have equal standing to men and sexism is openly prohibited: Brazilian men are dominant by their game.) Vila Mimosa got so much publicity that instead of being a locals-only place it is almost a tourist attraction and prices have rocketed, often charging as much for 15 minutes as you would pay for an hour in a very civilised downtown casa. It is worth trying to negotiate in most cases. Mimosa, in spite of its run-down appearance, is generally safe and it has private security (in other words, it is unwise to step out of line). In Sao Paulo, at least one main walk-up ('trash place') is in a central area next to Luz station. The area is known as 'Crackolandia' due the number of drug addicts and special care should be taken at all times. In Rio, all the main walk-ups are either in Centro or North Centro and generally considered safe. Belo Horizonte, a city further north, has a street not far from the bus station where many large, old hotels (with private security) have been converted into multi-storey trash venues.
* ''also consider:''
* Streetwalkers. These are not that common in Rio or Sao Paulo. It can be hard to ensure you are not talking to a tranny if approached on Avenida Atlantica (Rio's Copacabana district) or on the edge of Lapa (Rio's historic and regular nightlife district). In the evening, girls may sometimes be found wandering between pick-up venues in Copacabana. Always negotiate on price. Bear in mind that Copacabana is also a residential area and most women are ''not'' prostitutes!
* Agencies. Standards vary, but some will have at least a receptionist that speaks enough English to help you book a girl. Prices will generally be a bit above those of the private apartments. Often the girl may bring the agency’s loose leaf folder containing photos of all their girls for future reference. Agencies are not usually the best in terms of looks and value for money but can be convenient when all else fails.
* Independents. Advertised in the local newspapers they can offer excellent value, but are as varied as anywhere else and, unless you can speak fast, fluent Portuguese on the phone, you may find yourself unable to converse. If your doorman seems liberal, you could maybe ask him to phone for you (as with anything, he will charge a small tip, whether openly or as an agreed kickback with the girl, or both).
* Part-timers. If you get to know a girl at a casa or a terma or even a trash venue, it is often quite possible to arrange to meet her outside at a reduced fee or overnight booking. Except at trash venues, this is almost always heavily frowned on by the establishments, so don't be too open about it. If you get on well with a prossie, irrespective of where you met her, she may like to hang out with you for a few days for considerations. This can save money, but she may get quite possessive, wanting to protect her 'investment.'
* Strip shows. Mostly in Copacabana. They can be entertaining if you are careful not to run up a bill but there is no guarantee of quality if you take one of the strippers back for the night, and she will generally charge more based on the venue where you met her. Negotiate on price before leaving the venue.
* Civvies. Brazilians aren't more promiscuous than any other nation (and contrary to the occasional report, are not 'open minded' about a person being a prostitute or visiting a prostitute). You may think you have found a very beautiful escort who can pass as a civvie: however, don't fool yourself: it will be blindingly obvious to a Brazilian that she is a prostitute. Don't go wearing your hobby on your lapel in polite company! Neither are civvie women likely to fall into the arms of a foreigner who is older and doesn't even speak Portuguese and is clearly on holiday looking for a quick fuck. If you are staying longer, you have more opportunities though if you a) learn some Portuguese language and manners and/or b) learn to dance. Bear in mind their are plenty of wealthy, athletic-looking young Portuguese men available, so don't expect an easy lay.
* Beach. Hook-ups can sometimes be made on Copacabana beach but it is also a favourite place for prostitutes to take advantage of gullible tourists. If you meet someone on the beach, maybe take her for a coffee to negotiate a price. Robberies on the beach are not uncommon and it's best only to take what you need. Topless bathing, surprisingly, is generally frowned on and even men should put a shirt on when going back onto the street. The deckchair/beer stall will usually look after your belongings if you go for a swim. Avoid the beach at night.

== Cities overview ==
'''Rio de Janeiro''' is the main tourist destination. It can be confusing to a first timer, but not nearly as much as Sao Paulo. It has numerous beautiful beaches and tourist sights, fabulous hotels, mostly good weather, and many beautiful women. It is at heart very much a party city and the beach is the 'summum bonum' of existence. The subway system is very safe. Tourists generally stay in "Rio Sul" the southern half of the city, and especially in Copacabana, Ipanema, Leme or Botafogo. For someone downtown rather than with a beach, consider Leme, which has the best nightlife. Note: If you are going explicitly for Carnaval (which can be costly) do lots of research about the show itself and the performances/schools and also consider how far you will be from the Sambodrome. Also be aware that Barra da Tijuca, an upmarket suburb where the Rock in Rio festival is held, is a very considerable commuting distance from the rest of the city for anything.

'''Sao Paulo''' is the business centre of Brazil and also one of the biggest cities in the world, which makes navigation an immediate priority. Prices for punting are generally cheaper and better value than in Rio, but more travelling may be involved as they are rather spread out. (Count on a couple of subway rides and then a walk or a taxi for the last bit). The trendy heart of the city is along Avenida Paulista (south-west of the downtown/city centre) and often compared to New York’s Times Square and is a good area in which to stay. Public transport is excellent (though the bus system is complicated — use googlemaps on your phone to get GPS travel directions). The Metro system is straightforward but expect main stations that are bigger and more crowded than those of London with pedestrian flow systems in operation. Taxis are relatively inexpensive but can mount up due to the considerable distances across town that can be involved. There are no beaches and no obvious tourist attractions to compare to Rio, but it has some of the best restaurants in the world (if you can afford them) and a vibrant art scene. For regular nightlife there is no shortage of either hectic or sophisticated options. Many Paulistanos tend to be sophisticated and well-educated.

North of Rio & São Paulo are cities such as Salvador, Belo Horizonte and Belem with smaller but exciting hobby opportunities but even more so definitely not for beginners. Brazil is the biggest country in South America and travelling to the more northerly places involves internal flights or bus journeys last up to several days. Rio and São Paulo however are connected by frequent short flights and premium bus services. The south of the country can be rather cool in winter whereas the north goes from sun-baked to tropical.

== Transport ==
Brazil is an enormous country, roughly the size of the USA. Internal flights can sometimes be picked up quite cheaply. Brazilians think nothing of overnight (or 24h or more) bus journeys. Intercity buses are fairly comfortable on the whole and the ones running between Rio and Sao Paulo have deep recliner options. Trains are almost non-existent other than one or two scenic lines. Driving is not particularly recommended unless you are very familiar with the country... the big cities are more complex than London or L.A. to negotiate in and out of. Carjackling is not unknown. Roads vary from excellent to very poor.
'''Rio''' has two airports: Santos Dumont, which is amazingly close to the city centre but with limited international flights, and Galeão (known as GIG) which is some distance away. Rio's city transport is very well integrated and you can pick up a card, load it with an amount of money of your choosing, and then use it on buses, metros and the tram. Taxis/Ubers are very reasonable, but as with anywhere, not always available when you want one. Learning to use the bus system is safe and easy. The big bus stops have a list of buses stopping there, the bus number and the destinations. Tell the bus to stop with a firm, downward movement of the arm. When you get on, use your travel card to pass through the turnstile (if your card has run out, pay the driver using only small bills). If you are not familiar with the place where you want to get off, work out how to pronounce it in Portuguese beforehand and ask the driver or another passenger to advise you. Be polite. Don't be shocked if you are standing up and someone offers to hold your shopping on their lap for you.
'''Sao Paulo''' has three airports. The main one is Guarulhos (GRU) use for most international flights and the most developed. Beware that if you get a flight to Viracopos or Congonhas airport, the connections into the city are much poorer (Viracopos will take quite a while from downtown SP). Sao Paulo is the biggest city in the southern hemisphere. It has a highly developed but very complex transport system. As for Rio, get a card that covers all forms of public transport including the suburban train. Taxis/Ubers are inexpensive but may be hard to find in rush hour (in rush hour, the metro, however crowded, is often quicker).

== Apartment Rentals (RJ) ==
If you are planning to stay more than a week then an apartment rental offers advantages over a hotel. These can be booked online or by walking into a rental agency, of which there are many in Copacabana (for instance along the parallel main streets of N.S. Copa and Barata Ribeiro). You can come and go as you please and with whom you please. There is usually no room safe -- hide your stuff under the mattress or lock it in your rucksack. Get on good terms with the security guy on the ground floor: he is God as far as that apartment building is concerned and all its comings and goings. An apartment close to a metro station may be very convenient for a beginner. Although the state of apartments -- or AirBnBs for that matter -- vary immensely, the biggest complaint is the noise of building works in an adjoining apartment. It seems someone is always knocking down or building something! One way of guarding against this is as follows. Travel light, or at most with what you can carry on your back. Check in to a hotel somewhere for your first night or two nights. Then go to a few agencies, ask what they have on offer and go and view the apartments. Most will let you leave your luggage in the agency while they send a lad with the keys to show you the flats. That way youi actually see what you are getting and can choose. A third option is an Aparthotel. This gives you a reasonably swish apartment where a maid comes daily to do the cleaning. There are often part of a complex that includes shops and a gym in the same building. If you do end up staying a hotel you may end up paying not only for a double but for an extra fee for any visitor, and all at their discretion on who comes in with you.

== Currency ==
It's not a bad idea to familiarise yourself with the appearance of the notes before you go so you don't accidentally give someone ten times what you intended. It's common policy just to carry as much as you intend to spend, and to keep small notes in a separate pocket to large ones (so you don't advertise how much you're carrying when just buying a small item). Small bills can be horribly grubby, as if someone has wiped their arse with them, thrown them away, then rescued them and dried them in the sun.
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Guide to Punting in Argentina

2019-06-20T05:58:51Z

Dan: /* Punting overview */

== Overview ==
Argentina is a country located in the southern half of South America. Sharing the bulk of the Southern Cone with Chile to the west, the country is also bordered by Bolivia and Paraguay to the north, Brazil to the northeast, Uruguay and the South Atlantic Ocean to the east. Argentina is the eighth-largest country in the world, the fourth largest in the Americas, and the largest Spanish-speaking nation.

== Getting in and out==
Most flights come to Terminal C, the newest terminal and with the newer technology. Several taxi companies provide transport; their sales windows are next to each other and it is worth comparing their prices as they may not all be the same. 1450 pesos to downtown is the standard rate at the time of writing. A Shuttle bus (Tienda Leon) runs at busy times from around the corner outside Terminal A. It costs around 400 pesos to the new bus terminal at Corrientes/Madero, as opposed to 1450 pesos for a taxi. Note that Palermo and Recoleta (upmarket areas where many tourists head for) are some distance away from downtown. The middle of downtown, next to the famous obelisk, is called Microcenter (think, Tottenham Ct Rd, Piccadilly Circus). Most things you can imagine you need are within easy walking distance in Microcenter as it's also the city's business centre, – things like Cambios (currency exchange), cafes, restaurants, chemists (including a couple that will sell Viagra and generics over the counter at good prices). It also has the best transport links to other parts of the city. Retiro is another area that is a bit more upmarket but still close to Microcenter.

== Getting around ==
Taxis are quite cheap but the Metro (Subte) can sometimes save time.
Get a free card from a tourist office (show passport). Top up with 90 pesos cash at a kiosco (corner store / 7-11) that shows the Sube sign. See: argentina.gob.ar/sube

== Challenges ==
'''Safety. Tipping.'''
Buenos Aires is fairly safe if you stick to the main tourist areas such as Microcenter, Palermo, and Recoleta. In other areas, including San Telmo, be normally aware, for instance of pickpockets by day, and most people favour taxis for late at night. Beware that Argentina is prone to frequent strikes – which can also affect the airport. Tipping is not mandatory even for taxis but is appreciated. You are likely to get better service for instance if you tip hotel staff (housekeeping, reception, bell-boys) in advance. The tip doesn't need to be much – even 100 pesos (about £2) but is greatly appreciated.

'''Changing money.'''
ATMs will work out rather expensive and tend to have constricting upper limits. The best rates are from Cambios, many of which can be found along Calle Florida in Microcenter. Rates vary from one to another (further north from Corrientes you go tends to be better the rate). There are also many street hustlers there offering 'cambio' services but they are unregulated, so unless you are ''very'' familiar with the currency you may not be able to tell genuine from fake

== Punting overview ==
Buenos Aires used to be many people's standards the finest punting city in the world for its luxurious brothels and high class service incredibly low prices, as well as respectable part timers openly offering their services. Since the president changed most of that has changed. Nearly all the brothels have been closed down. Massage parlours are still a good stand-by but not all offer extras or full-service. A recommended parlour (current at time of writing) is Armony: http://www.armonyspa.com/.
 
One or two clubs are frequented by SPs, either exclusively or mixing with civvies. The main one still open at the time of writing is Newport. There are many areas with street-walkers (SWs; varying quality, honesty and reliability) who will take you back to a short-time hotel (short time can vary from half an hour to all night). It's still legal, but the unofficial clamp down has made things difficult. Hence there is a large population of SPs offering business but less openly. One punter had [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=227937.0 exceedingly good results] using Seeking sugar-daddy website.
 
== Venues== 
'''Newport''' is the main standby. It's in front of the Recoleta Cemetery across from McDonald's. Dimly lit bar where the SPs hang around outside and inside most hours but especially late at night.
Round the corner from Newport is a '''string of bars and restaurants''', most civvie nightlife, but it will become clear by sticking your head inside which ones encourage SPs.
 
'''Other venues''' include two on '''Suipacha''' (they're only visible late on mostly after midnight). It's usually necessary to buy the SP a drink to show you are serious. Prices are from about 1500 pesos up – which is about the same as the nearby '''SWs''' or the '''massage shops'''. Except for massage shops, you will also have to fork out for a '''short time hotel''' unless taking her back to your hotel or apartment. 
For '''Microcenter SWs''', start outside '''Cafe Exedra''' around midnight and either wander up '''Pellegrini''' (where there's also a rather garish late night SP bar) or along '''Cordoba''' and up '''Suipacha'''. 
 Rougher and cheaper are the '''SWs''' near the stations, Plaza '''Once''' or Station '''Constitucion'''.
Contitucion is the main railway station and long-distance terminal (not Once
Station). It’s a beautiful pink stone building in a trashy area. Directly opposite is
the sparkly modern building which is an entrance to the Metro (Subte) at the end
of Line C. An easy circuit for beginners is to face the railway station as if coming
from the Metro building and go to the right. Follow the road along the side of the
train station. There are hygienic-looking adjoining the station and a very
working-class mall on your right. Take the first right. Even in the daytime you
are likely to see hookers standing there quite obviously. In the evening the street
livens up with several low-class bars with loud music and it is an ok street to
hang out in if you are exceedingly BsAs-style streetwise, otherwise, like the
whole area, it is generally regarded as to be avoided at night. Carry on around
the block. Less well-lit streets go in various directions if you want to explore
between here and the next Subte stop but at your own discretion. The whole
area of Constitucion, other than the main railway station and its immediate cafes etc, is considered dangerous by most people. The present reviewer found it safer than Once/Miserere as it easier to watch your back. It also has the cheapest hookers (most are ugly but occasional youngish gems (18-25) can be spotted). The area
abounds in very cheap transitorios (some post their rates outside, which is
helpful in case she suggests somewhere overpriced). Others prefer Once/Miserere (greater numbers, fewer complete uglies, higher prices).

 
For latest advice you can also try ''Argentina Private'' (which is an extension of ISG).
 
 
https://i.postimg.cc/y6X25s58/A323356-C-ABF9-4-DE6-B12-B-53-E0-B4-CA8972.jpg
Typical flyposting of ‘massage’ numbers to call is common along Corrientes & Florida streets.
 
 
A couple of nightclubs with SPs worth a try: 
#NewPort - Recoleta district 
#Cocodrilo - Palermo district 

== Cities overview ==

== Threads on UK Punting ==

* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=10250.msg152499#msg152499 amusing]
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=73776 Buenos Aires]

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Guide to Punting in Argentina

2019-06-20T04:45:05Z

Dan: /* Punting overview */

== Overview ==
Argentina is a country located in the southern half of South America. Sharing the bulk of the Southern Cone with Chile to the west, the country is also bordered by Bolivia and Paraguay to the north, Brazil to the northeast, Uruguay and the South Atlantic Ocean to the east. Argentina is the eighth-largest country in the world, the fourth largest in the Americas, and the largest Spanish-speaking nation.

== Getting in and out==
Most flights come to Terminal C, the newest terminal and with the newer technology. Several taxi companies provide transport; their sales windows are next to each other and it is worth comparing their prices as they may not all be the same. 1450 pesos to downtown is the standard rate at the time of writing. A Shuttle bus (Tienda Leon) runs at busy times from around the corner outside Terminal A. It costs around 400 pesos to the new bus terminal at Corrientes/Madero, as opposed to 1450 pesos for a taxi. Note that Palermo and Recoleta (upmarket areas where many tourists head for) are some distance away from downtown. The middle of downtown, next to the famous obelisk, is called Microcenter (think, Tottenham Ct Rd, Piccadilly Circus). Most things you can imagine you need are within easy walking distance in Microcenter as it's also the city's business centre, – things like Cambios (currency exchange), cafes, restaurants, chemists (including a couple that will sell Viagra and generics over the counter at good prices). It also has the best transport links to other parts of the city. Retiro is another area that is a bit more upmarket but still close to Microcenter.

== Getting around ==
Taxis are quite cheap but the Metro (Subte) can sometimes save time.
Get a free card from a tourist office (show passport). Top up with 90 pesos cash at a kiosco (corner store / 7-11) that shows the Sube sign. See: argentina.gob.ar/sube

== Challenges ==
'''Safety. Tipping.'''
Buenos Aires is fairly safe if you stick to the main tourist areas such as Microcenter, Palermo, and Recoleta. In other areas, including San Telmo, be normally aware, for instance of pickpockets by day, and most people favour taxis for late at night. Beware that Argentina is prone to frequent strikes – which can also affect the airport. Tipping is not mandatory even for taxis but is appreciated. You are likely to get better service for instance if you tip hotel staff (housekeeping, reception, bell-boys) in advance. The tip doesn't need to be much – even 100 pesos (about £2) but is greatly appreciated.

'''Changing money.'''
ATMs will work out rather expensive and tend to have constricting upper limits. The best rates are from Cambios, many of which can be found along Calle Florida in Microcenter. Rates vary from one to another (further north from Corrientes you go tends to be better the rate). There are also many street hustlers there offering 'cambio' services but they are unregulated, so unless you are ''very'' familiar with the currency you may not be able to tell genuine from fake

== Punting overview ==
Buenos Aires used to be many people's standards the finest punting city in the world for its luxurious brothels and high class service incredibly low prices, as well as respectable part timers openly offering their services. Since the president changed most of that has changed. Nearly all the brothels have been closed down. Massage parlours are still a good stand-by but not all offer extras or full-service. One or two clubs are frequented by SPs, either exclusively or mixing with civvies. The main one still open at the time of writing is Newport. There are many areas with street-walkers (SWs; varying quality, honesty and reliability) who will take you back to a short-time hotel (short time can vary from half an hour to all night). It's still legal, but the unofficial clamp down has made things difficult. Hence there is a large population of SPs offering business but less openly. One punter had [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=227937.0 exceedingly good results] using Seeking sugar-daddy website.
 
== Venues== 
'''Newport''' is the main standby. It's in front of the Recoleta Cemetery across from McDonald's. Dimly lit bar where the SPs hang around outside and inside most hours but especially late at night.
Round the corner from Newport is a '''string of bars and restaurants''', most civvie nightlife, but it will become clear by sticking your head inside which ones encourage SPs.
 
'''Other venues''' include two on '''Suipacha''' (they're only visible late on mostly after midnight). It's usually necessary to buy the SP a drink to show you are serious. Prices are from about 1500 pesos up – which is about the same as the nearby '''SWs''' or the '''massage shops'''. Except for massage shops, you will also have to fork out for a '''short time hotel''' unless taking her back to your hotel or apartment. 
For '''Microcenter SWs''', start outside '''Cafe Exedra''' around midnight and either wander up '''Pellegrini''' (where there's also a rather garish late night SP bar) or along '''Cordoba''' and up '''Suipacha'''. 
 Rougher and cheaper are the '''SWs''' near the stations, Plaza '''Once''' or Station '''Constitucion'''.
Contitucion is the main railway station and long-distance terminal (not Once
Station). It’s a beautiful pink stone building in a trashy area. Directly opposite is
the sparkly modern building which is an entrance to the Metro (Subte) at the end
of Line C. An easy circuit for beginners is to face the railway station as if coming
from the Metro building and go to the right. Follow the road along the side of the
train station. There are hygienic-looking adjoining the station and a very
working-class mall on your right. Take the first right. Even in the daytime you
are likely to see hookers standing there quite obviously. In the evening the street
livens up with several low-class bars with loud music and it is an ok street to
hang out in if you are exceedingly BsAs-style streetwise, otherwise, like the
whole area, it is generally regarded as to be avoided at night. Carry on around
the block. Less well-lit streets go in various directions if you want to explore
between here and the next Subte stop but at your own discretion. The whole
area of Constitucion, other than the main railway station and its immediate cafes etc, is considered dangerous by most people. The present reviewer found it safer than Once/Miserere as it easier to watch your back. It also has the cheapest hookers (most are ugly but occasional youngish gems (18-25) can be spotted). The area
abounds in very cheap transitorios (some post their rates outside, which is
helpful in case she suggests somewhere overpriced). Others prefer Once/Miserere (greater numbers, fewer complete uglies, higher prices).

 
For latest advice you can also try ''Argentina Private'' (which is an extension of ISG).
 
 
https://i.postimg.cc/y6X25s58/A323356-C-ABF9-4-DE6-B12-B-53-E0-B4-CA8972.jpg
Typical flyposting of ‘massage’ numbers to call is common along Corrientes & Florida streets.
 
 
A couple of nightclubs with SPs worth a try: 
#NewPort - Recoleta district 
#Cocodrilo - Palermo district 

== Cities overview ==

== Threads on UK Punting ==

* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=10250.msg152499#msg152499 amusing]
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=73776 Buenos Aires]

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Guide to Punting in Argentina

2019-06-19T03:56:30Z

Dan: /* Punting overview */

== Overview ==
Argentina is a country located in the southern half of South America. Sharing the bulk of the Southern Cone with Chile to the west, the country is also bordered by Bolivia and Paraguay to the north, Brazil to the northeast, Uruguay and the South Atlantic Ocean to the east. Argentina is the eighth-largest country in the world, the fourth largest in the Americas, and the largest Spanish-speaking nation.

== Getting in and out==
Most flights come to Terminal C, the newest terminal and with the newer technology. Several taxi companies provide transport; their sales windows are next to each other and it is worth comparing their prices as they may not all be the same. 1450 pesos to downtown is the standard rate at the time of writing. A Shuttle bus (Tienda Leon) runs at busy times from around the corner outside Terminal A. It costs around 400 pesos to the new bus terminal at Corrientes/Madero, as opposed to 1450 pesos for a taxi. Note that Palermo and Recoleta (upmarket areas where many tourists head for) are some distance away from downtown. The middle of downtown, next to the famous obelisk, is called Microcenter (think, Tottenham Ct Rd, Piccadilly Circus). Most things you can imagine you need are within easy walking distance in Microcenter as it's also the city's business centre, – things like Cambios (currency exchange), cafes, restaurants, chemists (including a couple that will sell Viagra and generics over the counter at good prices). It also has the best transport links to other parts of the city. Retiro is another area that is a bit more upmarket but still close to Microcenter.

== Getting around ==
Taxis are quite cheap but the Metro (Subte) can sometimes save time.
Get a free card from a tourist office (show passport). Top up with 90 pesos cash at a kiosco (corner store / 7-11) that shows the Sube sign. See: argentina.gob.ar/sube

== Challenges ==
'''Safety. Tipping.'''
Buenos Aires is fairly safe if you stick to the main tourist areas such as Microcenter, Palermo, and Recoleta. In other areas, including San Telmo, be normally aware, for instance of pickpockets by day, and most people favour taxis for late at night. Beware that Argentina is prone to frequent strikes – which can also affect the airport. Tipping is not mandatory even for taxis but is appreciated. You are likely to get better service for instance if you tip hotel staff (housekeeping, reception, bell-boys) in advance. The tip doesn't need to be much – even 100 pesos (about £2) but is greatly appreciated.

'''Changing money.'''
ATMs will work out rather expensive and tend to have constricting upper limits. The best rates are from Cambios, many of which can be found along Calle Florida in Microcenter. Rates vary from one to another (further north from Corrientes you go tends to be better the rate). There are also many street hustlers there offering 'cambio' services but they are unregulated, so unless you are ''very'' familiar with the currency you may not be able to tell genuine from fake

== Punting overview ==
Buenos Aires used to be many people's standards the finest punting city in the world for its luxurious brothels and high class service incredibly low prices, as well as respectable part timers openly offering their services. Since the president changed most of that has changed. Nearly all the brothels have been closed down. Massage parlours are still a good stand-by but not all offer extras or full-service. One or two clubs are frequented by SPs, either exclusively or mixing with civvies. The main one still open at the time of writing is Newport. There are many areas with street-walkers (or varying quality, honesty and reliability) who will take you back to a short-time hotel (short time can vary from half an hour to all night). It's still legal, but the unofficial clamp down has made things difficult. Hence there is a large population of SPs offering business but less openly. One punter had [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=227937.0 exceedingly good results] using Seeking
 
== Venues== 
'''Newport''' is the main standby. It's in front of the Recoleta Cemetery across from McDonald's. Dimly lit bar where the SPs hang around outside and inside most hours but especially late at night.
Round the corner from Newport is a '''string of bars and restaurants''', most civvie nightlife, but it will become clear by sticking your head inside which ones encourage SPs.
 
'''Other venues''' include two on '''Suipacha''' (they're only visible late on mostly after midnight). It's usually necessary to buy the SP a drink to show you are serious. Prices are from about 1500 pesos up – which is about the same as the nearby '''SWs''' or the '''massage shops'''. Except for massage shops, you will also have to fork out for a '''short time hotel''' unless taking her back to your hotel or apartment. 
For '''Microcenter SWs''', start outside '''Cafe Exedra''' around midnight and either wander up '''Pellegrini''' (where there's also a rather garish late night SP bar) or along '''Cordoba''' and up '''Suipacha'''.
 Rougher and cheaper are the '''SWs''' near the stations, Plaza '''Once''' or Station '''Constitucion'''.
For latest advice you can also try ''Argentina Private'' (which is an extension of ISG).
 
 
https://i.postimg.cc/y6X25s58/A323356-C-ABF9-4-DE6-B12-B-53-E0-B4-CA8972.jpg
Typical flyposting of ‘massage’ numbers to call is common along Corrientes & Florida streets.
 
 
A couple of nightclubs with SPs worth a try: 
#NewPort - Recoleta district 
#Cocodrilo - Palermo district 

== Cities overview ==

== Threads on UK Punting ==

* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=10250.msg152499#msg152499 amusing]
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=73776 Buenos Aires]

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Guide to Punting in Argentina

2019-06-19T03:42:49Z

Dan: /* Punting overview */

== Overview ==
Argentina is a country located in the southern half of South America. Sharing the bulk of the Southern Cone with Chile to the west, the country is also bordered by Bolivia and Paraguay to the north, Brazil to the northeast, Uruguay and the South Atlantic Ocean to the east. Argentina is the eighth-largest country in the world, the fourth largest in the Americas, and the largest Spanish-speaking nation.

== Getting in and out==
Most flights come to Terminal C, the newest terminal and with the newer technology. Several taxi companies provide transport; their sales windows are next to each other and it is worth comparing their prices as they may not all be the same. 1450 pesos to downtown is the standard rate at the time of writing. A Shuttle bus (Tienda Leon) runs at busy times from around the corner outside Terminal A. It costs around 400 pesos to the new bus terminal at Corrientes/Madero, as opposed to 1450 pesos for a taxi. Note that Palermo and Recoleta (upmarket areas where many tourists head for) are some distance away from downtown. The middle of downtown, next to the famous obelisk, is called Microcenter (think, Tottenham Ct Rd, Piccadilly Circus). Most things you can imagine you need are within easy walking distance in Microcenter as it's also the city's business centre, – things like Cambios (currency exchange), cafes, restaurants, chemists (including a couple that will sell Viagra and generics over the counter at good prices). It also has the best transport links to other parts of the city. Retiro is another area that is a bit more upmarket but still close to Microcenter.

== Getting around ==
Taxis are quite cheap but the Metro (Subte) can sometimes save time.
Get a free card from a tourist office (show passport). Top up with 90 pesos cash at a kiosco (corner store / 7-11) that shows the Sube sign. See: argentina.gob.ar/sube

== Challenges ==
'''Safety. Tipping.'''
Buenos Aires is fairly safe if you stick to the main tourist areas such as Microcenter, Palermo, and Recoleta. In other areas, including San Telmo, be normally aware, for instance of pickpockets by day, and most people favour taxis for late at night. Beware that Argentina is prone to frequent strikes – which can also affect the airport. Tipping is not mandatory even for taxis but is appreciated. You are likely to get better service for instance if you tip hotel staff (housekeeping, reception, bell-boys) in advance. The tip doesn't need to be much – even 100 pesos (about £2) but is greatly appreciated.

'''Changing money.'''
ATMs will work out rather expensive and tend to have constricting upper limits. The best rates are from Cambios, many of which can be found along Calle Florida in Microcenter. Rates vary from one to another (further north from Corrientes you go tends to be better the rate). There are also many street hustlers there offering 'cambio' services but they are unregulated, so unless you are ''very'' familiar with the currency you may not be able to tell genuine from fake

== Punting overview ==
Buenos Aires used to be many people's standards the finest punting city in the world for its luxurious brothels and high class service incredibly low prices, as well as respectable part timers openly offering their services. Since the president changed most of that has changed. Nearly all the brothels have been closed down. Massage parlours are still a good stand-by but not all offer extras or full-service. One or two clubs are frequented by SPs, either exclusively or mixing with civvies. The main one still open at the time of writing is Newport. There are many areas with street-walkers (or varying quality, honesty and reliability) who will take you back to a short-time hotel (short time can vary from half an hour to all night). It's still legal, but the unofficial clamp down has made things difficult. Hence there is a large population of SPs offering business but less openly. One punter had [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=227937.0 exceedingly good results] using Seeking
 
== Venues== 
'''Newport''' is the main standby. It's in front of the Recoleta Cemetery across from McDonald's. Dimly lit bar where the SPs hang around outside and inside most hours but especially late at night.
Round the corner from Newport is a '''string of bars and restaurants''', most civvie nightlife, but it will become clear by sticking your head inside which ones encourage SPs.
 
'''Other venues''' include two on '''Suipacha''' (they're only visible late on mostly after midnight). It's usually necessary to buy the SP a drink to show you are serious. Prices are from about 1500 pesos up – which is about the same as the nearby '''SWs''' or the '''massage shops'''. Except for massage shops, you will also have to fork out for a '''short time hotel''' unless taking her back to your hotel or apartment. 
For '''Microcenter SWs''', start outside '''Cafe Exedra''' around midnight and either wander up '''Pellegrini''' (where there's also a rather garish late night SP bar) or along '''Cordoba''' and up '''Suipacha'''.
 Rougher and cheaper are the '''SWs''' near the stations, Plaza '''Once''' or Station '''Constitucion'''.
For latest advice you can also try ''Argentina Private'' (which is an extension of ISG).
 
 
https://i.postimg.cc/y6X25s58/A323356-C-ABF9-4-DE6-B12-B-53-E0-B4-CA8972.jpg
Typical flyposting of ‘massage’ numbers to call is common along Corrientes & Florida streets.

== Cities overview ==

== Threads on UK Punting ==

* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=10250.msg152499#msg152499 amusing]
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=73776 Buenos Aires]

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Guide to Punting in Argentina

2019-06-13T03:34:13Z

Dan: /* Punting overview */

== Overview ==
Argentina is a country located in the southern half of South America. Sharing the bulk of the Southern Cone with Chile to the west, the country is also bordered by Bolivia and Paraguay to the north, Brazil to the northeast, Uruguay and the South Atlantic Ocean to the east. Argentina is the eighth-largest country in the world, the fourth largest in the Americas, and the largest Spanish-speaking nation.

== Getting in and out==
Most flights come to Terminal C, the newest terminal and with the newer technology. Several taxi companies provide transport; their sales windows are next to each other and it is worth comparing their prices as they may not all be the same. 1450 pesos to downtown is the standard rate at the time of writing. A Shuttle bus (Tienda Leon) runs at busy times from around the corner outside Terminal A. It costs around 400 pesos to the new bus terminal at Corrientes/Madero, as opposed to 1450 pesos for a taxi. Note that Palermo and Recoleta (upmarket areas where many tourists head for) are some distance away from downtown. The middle of downtown, next to the famous obelisk, is called Microcenter (think, Tottenham Ct Rd, Piccadilly Circus). Most things you can imagine you need are within easy walking distance in Microcenter as it's also the city's business centre, – things like Cambios (currency exchange), cafes, restaurants, chemists (including a couple that will sell Viagra and generics over the counter at good prices). It also has the best transport links to other parts of the city. Retiro is another area that is a bit more upmarket but still close to Microcenter.

== Getting around ==
Taxis are quite cheap but the Metro (Subte) can sometimes save time.
Get a free card from a tourist office (show passport). Top up with 90 pesos cash at a kiosco (corner store / 7-11) that shows the Sube sign. See: argentina.gob.ar/sube

== Challenges ==
'''Safety. Tipping.'''
Buenos Aires is fairly safe if you stick to the main tourist areas such as Microcenter, Palermo, and Recoleta. In other areas, including San Telmo, be normally aware, for instance of pickpockets by day, and most people favour taxis for late at night. Beware that Argentina is prone to frequent strikes – which can also affect the airport. Tipping is not mandatory even for taxis but is appreciated. You are likely to get better service for instance if you tip hotel staff (housekeeping, reception, bell-boys) in advance. The tip doesn't need to be much – even 100 pesos (about £2) but is greatly appreciated.

'''Changing money.'''
ATMs will work out rather expensive and tend to have constricting upper limits. The best rates are from Cambios, many of which can be found along Calle Florida in Microcenter. Rates vary from one to another (further north from Corrientes you go tends to be better the rate). There are also many street hustlers there offering 'cambio' services but they are unregulated, so unless you are ''very'' familiar with the currency you may not be able to tell genuine from fake

== Punting overview ==
Buenos Aires used to be many people's standards the finest punting city in the world for its luxurious brothels and high class service incredibly low prices, as well as respectable part timers openly offering their services. Since the president changed most of that has changed. Nearly all the brothels have been closed down. Massage parlours are still a good stand-by but not all offer extras or full-service. One or two clubs are frequented by SPs, either exclusively or mixing with civvies. The main one still open at the time of writing is Newport. There are many areas with street-walkers (or varying quality, honesty and reliability) who will take you back to a short-time hotel (short time can vary from half an hour to all night). It's still legal, but the unofficial clamp down has made things difficult. Hence there is a large population of SPs offering business but less openly. One punter had [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=227937.0 exceedingly good results] using Seeking
 
== Venues== 
'''Newport''' is the main standby. It's in front of the Recoleta Cemetery across from McDonald's. Dimly lit bar where the SPs hang around outside and inside most hours but especially late at night.
Round the corner from Newport is a '''string of bars and restaurants''', most civvie nightlife, but it will become clear by sticking your head inside which ones encourage SPs.
 
'''Other venues''' include two on '''Suipacha''' (they're only visible late on mostly after midnight). It's usually necessary to buy the SP a drink to show you are serious. Prices are from about 1500 pesos up – which is about the same as the nearby '''SWs''' or the '''massage shops'''. Except for massage shops, you will also have to fork out for a '''short time hotel''' unless taking her back to your hotel or apartment. 
For '''Microcenter SWs''', start outside '''Cafe Exedra''' around midnight and either wander up '''Pellegrini''' (where there's also a rather garish late night SP bar) or along '''Cordoba''' and up '''Suipacha'''.
 Rougher and cheaper are the '''SWs''' near the stations, Plaza '''Once''' or Station '''Constitucion'''.
For latest advice you can also try ''Argentina Private'' (which is an extension of ISG).

== Cities overview ==

== Threads on UK Punting ==

* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=10250.msg152499#msg152499 amusing]
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=73776 Buenos Aires]

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2019-06-13T02:21:06Z

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===Europe===
* [[Catalonia]]
* [[Fkk and Saunaclubs]]
* [[Guide to Punting in Belgium]]
* [[Guide to Punting in Germany]]
* [[Guide to Punting in Greece]]
* [[Guide to Punting in Romania]]
===Asia===
* [[Guide to Punting in Hong Kong]]
* [[Guide to Punting in Thailand]]
* [[Guide to Punting in Laos]]

===Americas===
* [[Guide to Punting in Argentina]]
* [[Guide to punting in Canada]]
* [[Guide to Punting in the USA]]
* [[Guide to Punting in South America]]
* [[Guide to Punting in Colombia]]
* [[Costa Rica]]
* [[Guide to Punting in Brazil]]
===Airports===
* [[Guide to Punting near Airports]]

Guide to Punting in Laos

2019-06-13T02:20:49Z

Dan: Created page with "'''Vientiane''' https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=251625.0"

'''Vientiane'''
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Guide to Punting near Airports

2019-06-12T06:03:03Z

Dan: /* Geneva */

=Punting near Airports=

We have all had a 1 hour layover that turns to 4. Is this enough time to get into the city for a punt?

=GOOD=
==Amsterdam==
Schiphol. Overlooking the poor vfm at the windows, can be OK. The train is probably 15mins, then 10-15 walk to the RLD.

==Berlin==
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=249975.msg2562125#msg2562125

==Brussels==
'''Orientation'''
Belgium uses a confusing mixture of French, Flemish and English, so it’s helpful to make a note more than one when looking for place names.

'''From the main Airport:'''
Trains from the main Brussels Airport (Zaventem) are very good. Up to six 'Brussels Airport Express' trains an hour connect the airport to Brussels North, Brussels Central and Brussels Midi stations, as well as other Belgian cities. Journey time is 17 minutes to Brussels Central Station, a bit less to Brussels North Station ('punting central'!).
Check that your flight is arriving at Zaventem ''not'' Brussels Charleroi as some cheap airlines do, and which is three times as far to downtown Brussels!)

'''Train Location at the airport:''' Main Terminal, before security, Level -1.

'''Punting next to Brussels North Station''' starts from around 10am. E50 gets pumpndump & a couple of positions. (40E seems to be the minimum).

Brussels North is the stop before Brussels Central (you get off then go to the left hand side from direction of train travel).

'''SWs'''
1.''Rue D'Aerschot'' by main trainstation, Brussels du Nord.40€ bj+1 position.

2.''Lakensestraat / Rue de Laeken'' & adjacent streets.SWs on corners (15m walking from Nord or 10m by bus) From middle of Adolphe Max, turn right along Rue Saint Michel- Rue de Cirque for 3 blocks (5mins walk).

3.''Boulevard Adolphe Max'' - in the centre... 24/7... about 40€ plus 20€ hotel. Nearest metro: Rogier (2mins MIVB tram from Nord). Some trannies. Possibly dodgy. Lower end. 15mins walk from Brussels du Nord/Rue D'Aerschot.

4. ''Avenue Louise has best SWs'' 100-euros an hour by some, and 200 by others. Not that many during cold days, and mostly Romanians. (Metro Louise, but a long street). 10m by train from Rogier.

'''Studios''' a bit further afield.
''Studio Europe'' for instance is about 10m or so walk from Aersch, turn right at Starbucks / Rogier Station, then go left at t’Genot onto Pelican, then first right onto Sint-Jans Nepomucenus (the street has several different names, Google calls it Commercants, which is the name from the other end). Studio Louise is now called Studio Europe (wasn’t open yet when I last looked, probably too early in the day, but a massage joint opposite was. )

old map from another website: http://www.amsterdam-red-light-district-maps.com/Brussels.html

'''Unless it's a long layover''', ''Rue D'Aerschot'' is the fastest and has the most choice. From the airport train station you could in theory be there, punt and back in about an hour, though it's best to leave a little extra time!

There are many threads on UKP about Rue D'Aerschot. Just type in ''Brussels'' to the search engine there.

==Edinburgh==
From the Airport, get the '[https://www.edinburghairport.com/transport-links/buses-and-coaches Airlink 100]' bus to the city terminus (which is next to Waverley Station) for Blair St Sauna.

Or get the tram to the last stop (York Place) for Newtown or London St saunas. The venues are only about 5 minutes walk and there are usually several girls on. Use googlemaps ('saunas near Edinburgh'). Pay the entrance fee at reception and then pay the girl for (standard) services.

LSS: from the tram stop, go down the hill (the one at right angles to the tram) and you'll see the basement as you turn left at the roundabout at the bottom. The smaller NTS is a couple of minutes away.
https://london-street-sauna.business.site
http://www.newtownsauna.com/

BSS: go up the hill, cross over the main st (Royal Mile) and carry on a few yards and it's on your left, marked 'sauna'.
https://www.blairstreetsauna.co.uk/

For reviews of individual girls, search UKP for'BSS' or 'LSS'.
The bus takes 30 minutes. The tram takes about 40.
If you want to go by taxi, the fare will probably be about £20-£25.

==Frankfurt==

'''Useful words:''' 
Central station: Hauptbahnhof 
Airport: Flughafen 
Please: Bitte 
Thank you: Danke 
How much?: How much. (whores speak this much English!) 
 '''Where?''' 10-20mins train to central station then Kaiserstrasse area (30€) walk ups.
 
 '''Quickie guide for total newbies ...''' 
A day ticket from the airport costs €8.50. 
Go out of the main station entrance. You should see a central area with taxi rank and tramlines in front of you. Cross over or use the pedestrian subway. Taunusstrasse runs from the centre away from the station. Kaiserstrasse and Niddastrasse run parallel. Walk one short block along Taunusstrasse and you are in Eros Centre land. Walk into any building marked Eros Centre (or similar) and view the ladies standing or slouching in open doorways on each floor. When you see what you like, negotiate and do the business.
 '''Comme ça:''' 
exit station, cross over 
https://i.postimg.cc/4dg6W6fc/AC580-AFE-48-F9-4-B0-E-99-A7-6-E501-ABEFABF.jpg
 
go down here: 
https://i.postimg.cc/4y4zgXhN/24493-C03-A7-C4-4084-A0-C4-F76614-FB77-CA.jpg to here: 
https://i.postimg.cc/Jn5bvs02/39177-A42-5-FFB-4686-861-F-EE99557860-AF.jpg pop in here for a shag: 
https://i.postimg.cc/L5yj4Gzk/2-D4-B9130-554-F-41-B2-8-DE5-E1405-C214-FF0.jpg 
(or any of the other unmistakable venues immediately nearby) wipe dick, board train back to airport
 ''(don't forget to write a review on UKP)''

==Geneva==
Fast train into central station, cross over one block and to the left and it's short-time hookerville. Daytime ones very pleasant and polite, meet on the street and go upstairs to a decent pad. Nighttime a bit more wary and prices go up. Downside (apart from not that heap) is that Geneva isn't a major hub, but still worth noting if it happens to be on the way somewhere. But nothing is cheap in Switzerland.

==Singapore==
Pop any luggage into an airport locker then get a taxi to nearby Geylang for evening activities. Cruise the venues (all tend to be ground floor), view the choice of girls, stop when you see one you like.

=BAD=
* All of USA
* Charles de Gaule / Paris

==Other tips==
* This can be a reason to check luggage through. Why have the stress of cramming bags on the plane anyway to save 10 min on your arrival?

==See Also threads on Airports==
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=249975.0 Layover Lays] June 2019

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Guide to Punting in Colombia

2019-06-03T16:43:31Z

Dan: /* Cities overview */

== Overview ==
Colombia is a sovereign state largely situated in the northwest of South America. Colombia shares a border to the northwest with Panama, to the east with Venezuela and Brazil and to the south with Ecuador and Peru. It shares its maritime limits with Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras, Jamaica, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic.[12] Colombia is a unitary, constitutional republic comprising thirty-two departments, with the capital in Bogotá.

Colombia is a great punting destination!

== Challenges ==
'''Getting from the airport''' (Medellin) can take about an hour (it's the other side of a mountain). Most people take a taxi which is slightly quicker than the airport bus. If you take the bus it takes a more scenic route and terminates downtown behind Nutibara Hotel. An alternative bus route takes you to San Diego Mall, which is a bit closer to Poblado so cheaper for a taxi if you're staying there.
https://medellinguru.com/get-to-medellin-from-the-airport/

'''Transport''' (Medellin) while you are there is relatively simple. Taxis are not too expensive but the (very modern) Metro is useful for getting to tourist locations or navigating in rush hour. It also integrates with the cablecar (Metrocable) transport system. If staying more than a few days it's worth getting a Civica card (a bit like the London Oyster card but much cheaper).

== Punting overview ==

Colombia, and especially Medellin, has every type of punting imaginable, from the highest luxury end to down-and-dirty trashville end and most things in between. It is not however 'laid on a plate' like many Asian countries or even relatively straightforward without research and/or local assistance. (Some punters have round this by using Seeking but that's a whole different story.) Unless you go to the rougher areas, most transactions are honest and without serious worries. The mid-range offers excellent value for money. There are 'arrangers' that will hook you up with a companion for dancing, dining and overnight GFE (some of these have been busted though, so take care).

== Cities overview ==

'''Medellin'''

There are '''three main areas of interest''' to punters in Medellin and the third, downtown, is split into two distinct sides.

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1.Poblado

This is the area where most visitors will stay. It has a vibrant nightlife of modern bars and restaurants, rental apartments, and most of all the famed ‘Mansion’. Mansion is a short taxi ride out of the main Poblado area (centred around Parque Lleras). It is slightly more upmarket and a beautiful place to stay with luxurious rooms, swimming pool, and a few pre-vetted SPs in the on-site nightclub or hanging out at the pool.

The big advantage of Mansion is that it is run by a punter for punters. Although you can bring your own or have the ones on offer for evening punting, the daytime punting scene is sorted out for you (on request) by going with the owner on his morning tour of the better brothels looking for the best shag. This saves an enormous amount of time, hassle, money and footwork for the newcomer to Medellin, even for an experienced punter. These brothels are located in the ‘better half’ of downtown (see below). Some AirBnB apartments have a 'no sex tourism' policy but the word is that it is rarely enforced

Mansion is run on a friendly basis. It tends to be booked out so advance reservations are almost essential.

Times vary with traffic, but Poblado is 30 minutes give or take from downtown by taxi. Or you can use the Metro system to the tube stop of the same name and then a short taxi to either Mansion or the main square. Poblado is generally considered a very safe area.

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2.Mayorista
Medellin suburb of Itagui. Calle 85 and Carrera 51, Metro Ayura. Best after 10pm.
This is an evening punting area where the girls hang out at a strip of bars and cafes with onsite facilities. Prices are negotiable (not expensive) and quality varies. Like Poblado, it is a very safe area even though the poorly-lit short walk from the tube stop can appear daunting on first visit.

Mayorista is a couple of tube stops further out than Poblado, get off at Ayura and follow the road west (90 degrees right from the direction of the train) for about 100 yards. If it's your 1st time make it easy on yourself and tell a taxi driver you want "La Mayorista donde esta las chicas". He'll smile and take you. The SPs are all independent

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3a.Downtown East
(Daytime punting only)
The brothels are mostly scattered over part of this area some short distance east of Parque Berrio. They are excellent value and a fraction of U.K. prices. See map here or on the link in the guide to South America. It’s a normal middle to working class area and generally very safe by day. If you get the bus from the airport it terminates here at the back of the Nutibara Hotel. The Nutibara is an ok place to stay if you must stay here, close to the metro and museum and shops. Take care in the immediate vicinity at night. The Gran Hotel is in a slightly more savoury area, a bit closer to the better brothels and the main freeway that connects with Poblado.
Map of some popular Downtown (East) venues:
https://www.freeadulthost.site/uploaded/3e5a58645d747f5430c6911789395ce7be1202cd.jpg

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3b.Downtown West
(Daytime for the adventurous)
(Nighttime best for the exceedingly adventurous, but some daytime too)
From Parque Berrio station (or across the road from Nutibara Hotel) walk across the park with the museum. Behind the museum a block is another street with wholesalers and market stalls to the south (your left) and druggies/glue-sniffers more immediately behind the museum. Skip the druggies and continue left.
This area can be great fun by day if you like a trashville scene to find ‘diamonds in the rough’. Bear in mind it can be exceedingly trashy. Murders are not uncommon. It is generally considered safe by day and unsafe at night (this contributor has stayed there without hassle but would warn that you need to be exceedingly streetwise). The SPs are 24h if slightly less visible during the day than by night. Costs are very nominal and at night it has a very vibrant atmosphere. (If you want to go, it is highly recommended that you scout it out thoroughly by day first, including how to find your way out unerringly as taxis avoid it by night. Alternatively, stay at one of the trash hotels adjacent — such as Hotel Conquistadores — so you don’t have far to walk to the Metro.)
It is also possible to pick up daytime gems on the (civvie area) Plaza in front of the museum.

Online
There are a number of punting forums in Spanish written by Colombians such as https://foroprepagoscolombia.com where you can find ‘prepagos’ (independents).
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'''Bogota, Cartagena''' and '''Barranquilla''' are also popular punting destinations, though without the fame and charm of Medellin.

==Threads on UK Punting==

* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=184843.0 Some useful info ]
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=searchposts2 A slightly older thread]

==See Also==
* [[Guide_to_Punting_in_South_America]]

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Guide to Punting in Brazil

2019-05-22T13:01:41Z

Dan: /* Challenges */

Guide to Punting in South America

2019-05-05T16:51:41Z

Dan:

This is a general overview of the punting scene in South America

Venezuela:
Page is being created from this thread.
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=113352.0

Here’s a thread with useful info on Medellin, Colombia.
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=184843.0

For Brazil see the dedicated Wiki page.

Ecuador and Uruguay are smaller countries with unexceptional opportunities. Ecuador is relatively undeveloped in terms of sophistication and punting action in Quito (Ecuador) is slightly surreptitious (locals will warn you about safety in different streets and areas). Uruguay can be done as an overland trip between Brazil and Buenos Aires (with a short ferry crossing) and is relatively safe. Buenos Aires (Argentina) is a sophisticated city with a wide range of options, though greatly reduced from its former glory.

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Guide to Punting in Belgium

2019-04-26T21:15:24Z

Dan:

Belgium has a relaxed attitude to punting, similar to the Netherlands and Germany. Brussels has a number of red-light districts, of which the most accessible is Rue d'Aerschot, a street of girls in windows similar to Amsterdam. It can be accessed even as a short layover: the Brussels Airport Express train gets to Brussels North (Brussel-Noord) in about 12 minutes and the main RLD is just alongside the station — the 'scruffy' side – the left of the station seen from the direction of travel. (Brussels Central station is the next again stop.) Trains also connect with Antwerp (for Villa Tinto) and Bruges should you be interested.

The main Brussels Airport (BRU) is not to be confused with Brussels Charleroi, which is less convenient and a good hour away. The train station at Brussels Airport is also known as Zaventem (after the district). It is located in the Main Terminal, before security, Level -1. Rue d'Aerschot is open from around 10am and 50 Euro gets you a pumpndump and a couple of positions. (40E seems to be about the minimum).

The main Aerschot area has several adjoining streets that are easily overlooked (see map) though the quality in the other streets seems to be poorer.
''Longstanding internet map, some details are slightly out of date but still a good guide:'' http://i68.tinypic.com/xdcr4x.png

Streetwalkers of varying quality about in Brussels, as do 'massage' and other establishments.
For a taste...
Studio Europe is about 15 minutes on foot from Aerschot and features a scenic walk to the edge of the Lakensestraat / Rue de Laeken red light area. As Rue d'Aerschot curves left (see map), take a right at the crossroads (Rue de Brabant) under the bridge. Keep going till you reach a large square with a Starbucks and Rogier Station straight ahead. Cross the square and turn right along the main road. There are occasionally well-dressed and attractive SW whores who smile seductively, though most are brazen, especially on the side roads. Go left at t’Genot onto Pelican. Almost immediately take the first right onto Sint-Jans Nepomucenus (the street has several different names, Google calls it Commercants, which is the name from the other end). Studio Europe is well signed. There's a massage joint almost opposite that seems to open earlier. (You can use Googlemaps to find Commercants but it does tend to use your battery up rather quickly.)

==Links to Threads==
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=216528.0 Trip Report: Brussels - Day 1] August 2018
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=186928.0 Brussels] March 2018
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=16220. Red Light District Rue d’Aerschot, Brussels, Belgium] August 2013

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Guide to Punting in the USA

2019-04-24T05:19:48Z

Dan: /* Overview */

===Overview===
The United States of America (USA), commonly referred to as the United States (U.S.) or America, is a federal republic composed of 50 states, a federal district, five major self-governing territories, and various possessions.

Prostitution in the USA is '''illegal''' in most of the country, as a result of state laws rather than federal laws. It is legal in some rural counties of Nevada. In spite of its illegality, prostitution exists throughout the United States from both independent prostitutes and those employed through escort agencies. Both freelancers and agencies may advertise under the terms "bodywork" or "bodyrub"in the back of alternative newspapers, although some of these bodywork professionals 'are' actual massage professionals. Massage joints can be found using https://www.rubmaps.ch/ .

Police in some areas run active 'sting' operations against escorts and punters. This means escorts will be trying to determine that a punter is not the police, at the same time the punter is trying to determine that the escort is real (not a scam artist and not police). Overall the risk on both sides drives up prices, since escorts have a real risk of being fined, jailed and outed.

Currently, Nevada is the only U.S. jurisdiction to allow legal prostitution in the form of regulated brothels. Only 8 counties currently contain active brothels. All forms of prostitution are illegal in Clark County which contains Las Vegas.

For the braver (and very streetwise) punter, strip joints well away from the city (in run-down areas often known as ‘hoods’) often offer full service at reasonable prices and are rarely if ever raided by police. It is advisable to travel there and back by taxi (or if using a rental car be sure to tip the doorman to keep an eye on it if possible). Many places can be found on googlemaps under “gentleman’s clubs”. Strip clubs in the more visited, accessible and ‘safer’ parts of the big cities are almost always simply extortionately priced strip shows and lap dance clubs.

===Threads on UKP===
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=109656.0 New York and Las Vegas]
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=111890.0 Iowa]
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=34029.0 Boston]
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=31277.0 Chicago]
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=112274.0 Seattle police set up massage parlor in sex-sting operation, arrest 204 men]
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=31277.msg1388095#msg1388095 See marmalade post 7 dec 16]

===Other links===

Backpage

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Guide to Punting in Greece

2019-04-08T22:44:20Z

Dan: /* Studios */

Greece offers many and varied punting opportunities, including some of the lowest rates in Europe. The two main concentrations of paid sex are in Athens and Thessalonika.

=== General ===
SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising.

GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs 9 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.

COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give massively different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 44 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Most things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.

LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English.

WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.

==A quick guide to using bourdela.com, especially for studios==
1. Fire up the website using Chrome. That gives you instant translation.
2. Select the category you want from the top of the page menu, for instance, studio
3. Scroll down to the map. It might not work perfectly on some updates but still usable. You can ignore studios that are a great travelling distance. Click on the others one by one.
4. Copy and paste the details at the top left ''before'' translating the page. Copy the website link if listed. Then do the same with translate on. The reason for this is that googlemaps might not find the street in the English translation but will find it when you copy-paste the Greek name. You also need the entrance buzzer number in many cases. For instance, the 3rd September 119 (massage) says 'Heather on English translate but the actual buzzer has the Greek letters for 'Reiki' A studio near Victoria had changed their buzzer to 'xeiromasaz' (in Greek) but common sense should tell you that the second part of that, 'masaz' is just Greek for 'massage' (as in the bourdela menu).
5. Open a page with googlemaps and find the place. It may help to add a marker (which googlemaps will remember for you), such as the "want to visit" flag. You can also add a label with an easy name or just 'studio' to help you find it again. You can go back to googlemaps later to find the quickest metro connections.
6. If the place has a website, check it out and bookmark it. Some will show rates and indicate times they are open. A current website helps to confirm they are still in business at that location. You can also check for reviews back on bourdela using translate (some slang won't translate well, but usually enough to give you an idea).
7. The Greek alphabet isn't hard -- take a cheat sheet. Remember you can also download google-translate for a specific language in case you don't have an internet connection, and also the googlemaps for the area (although you migt need a connection to see markrs you've added).

==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (Metro stop, Victoria), and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including Plaka, Thisseo, Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastiraki. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places.

=== Brothels ===
The easiest and most numerous paid sex venues are what they call '''brothels''' (as distinct from studios) and easy to find. They are a bit similar to German Eros Centres or Soho walkups, but without the fanfare, without the walking and stairs (most are on or near ground level and very close to each other), and frequently better service (though they are independent and there is no necessary consistency). They tend to be very relaxed, so the ambience is more like Singapore's Geylang district than Soho. Some of the streets are not so clean, but facilities inside (with rare exceptions) are usually good. Standard prices are ten or twenty Euros (each price level has a well defined geographic area). They are "pump-and-dump" -- officially ten minutes but can stretch to twenty in quieter times or if the girl likes you. Most seem to have at least one spare bedroom, even if only one girl is working. Once the punter makes a decision and a choice, he's shown into a bedroom and the mamasan takes the money. He can then relax and warm up and the prossie joins him a little after. Most are very friendly though without much English. Many are Eastern Europeans, some Greek.

Only about 200 of the hundreds and hundreds of brothels are officially designated by law and that means there are hundreds that are not. They are designated by a characteristic white lantern or white safety light over the doorway. If the brothel is open, the light will be on even during the daytime (daytime sometimes offers better, unrushed deals rather than late at night when there may even be queues inside). The occasional officially designated one will have a red lantern outside instead of white.

The door from the street is not locked so you just walk in. There might be a cloth wrapped round the handle to stop it banging and reassure people they can walk in. Standard service (formally introduced in the brothels as "normal sex") is covered blow-job plus sex with condom. Occasionally BBBJ, DATY/RO, fingering may be offered. Anal, when available, is extra. They mostly give quite good service probably a) as the competition is strong, and b) the white light ones don't want any complaints seeing as they're not registered. Quality of rooms varies, mostly perhaps from the condition of the building, but are generally very clean inside. Many are in scruffy areas but not dangerous. Some of the best-looking girls work in these 10 and 20 Euro places as turnover is good. The buildings in the main 10 Euro area are much older. (There has been much publicity about 'sex for the price of a sandwich' but a good sandwich can cost 10 Euros in a nice area and is a meal in itself. That's still less than ten quid.) It's not a big barrier if you can't speak Greek. The mamasan will nearly always be able to to say, in English, "Normal sex: 20 Euros" (or 10, as the case may be).

There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.

20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station).

10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets are sometimes less crowded with foreigners and often much cleaner and safer-looking than the Filis area. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day.

Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.

=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no. With a few exceptions, opening hours of studios tend to be strictly daytime.

As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is the best source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ . Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way,

=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'.

Many offer incredibly good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for those near the brothels.

=== Strip clubs ===
Athens has a number of strip clubs, but many with a poor reputation due to overcharging or fleecing customers. Even the better ones, such as X-Bar (which these details are based on for simplicity), are not great value, but a pleasant way to spend some time if you have money to spend. When you go in, the bar may be crowded with women, some of whom will probably flirt outrageously with you. If you buy a beer, make it last as you won't have much change from 10 Euros for a standard bottle of beer. The girls will try to persuade you to buy then a lady drink (a tiny glass of fruit juice costing another 10 Euros) to extend the flirting. An occasional strip show will go down to panties. The main action is taking any girl you fancy to a back room or upstairs. Expect to pay about 100 Euros. Most open at around 11pm. X-Bar is at Siggrou 144, between Fragkoudi & Aristotelous/Leontiou, about 15mins walk from Suggrou Fx subway (but at 11pm it's easier just to take a taxi.

=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though.

=== Escorts ===
Escort services and independents are also available, but bear in mind that although English is a second language in Greece, many people will not speak any English at all. It is quite common for Escorts to list all their services on their webpages (again, use Chrome to translate). Prices are not that much different from the UK, though a little cheaper, and starting at about 100 Euro for outcalls, though 120 to 140 seems more common.
Some well-regarded agencies at time of writing:
* Golden Diamond Escorts, http://golden-diamond-escort.com/ +30 6989.912.628 goldendiamondescort@gmail.com
* YourEscorts, http://yourescorts.gr/ +30 6988 069 804
* AthensDiva, http://athensdiva.gr/ +30 69 828 584 00 info@athensdiva.gr

=== Sex hotels ===
From seedy places that charge by the hour (especially to prossies) to more palatial rooms clearly designed for sexual encounters (including non-paid liaisons).

=== Freebies ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.

===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''Thessalonika:''' try the Kamara district (historic area). 
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.

==='''CRETE'''===

Crete has good facilities though on a much smaller scale than Athens. It is also a beautiful destination with clean streets, attractive beaches, good buses and good, less expensive accommodation. The prime location for punting is Chania which has cheap, direct flights, whether from Athens or the UK. Heraklion, the capital, is perhaps an exception, being much like any other main city.

== Outline: Chania ==
Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right. The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck.

When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Orientation: Chania ==
Chania is one of the nicer places to stay, especially the old town area. Very clean, masses of bars and restaurants some of which are open all night, picturesque settings, and very safe.

From the airport, a public bus takes you to the [http://i.imgur.com/z8k2ymc.jpg bus station]. The old town is 10 minutes walk due north by the harbour. Exit the bus station from the side of the car park, turn right, then immediately left at the traffic lights (this takes you along a wide esplanade with trees in the centre and coffee shops on your left). Walk in a straight line for 10 minutes as the street crosses to a paved area with tourists stalls. There are many, many places to stay here and in adjacent streets, some with a private entrance so no worries to take someone back without going past a reception. (Alternatively, to go direct to Minoos RLD, turn right at Pandora jewellery and keep going.) The red light area is about ten minutes from the old town or from or the bus station. See maps [http://i.imgur.com/sQrnux2.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/zssmogv.jpg here], [http://i.imgur.com/xmwvhOj.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/VcvQrdk.jpg here].

Brothels are located in a small lane off Minoos, a long north-south street on the eastern edge of the old town. Minoos lane ("para Minoos") is at the northern (far) end, so take a left and look out for the red lights in a side street before the end, clearly indicated in the last of the four maps above.

Unlike Athens, where brothels are indicated with a white (or occasionally red) light over the door, white lights here don't indicate a brothel, only red ones. Minoos Lane is U-shaped, leading back onto the main road. The name of the girl on duty is usually displayed outside. Go in and have a look and, if you don't like, no offence is caused by saying thank you, no, and walking out to look at another one. Price is €30 (if they ask €40, just say no, it's €30, and they will normally accept immediately). You get about 15 minutes.

Between the main part of the old town and Minoos are two strip clubs. The main north-south street running through the old town us called Chalidon. Take the narrow pedestrianised street next to Pandora jewellery on Chalidon and keep going in a straight line. It soon gets much wider with bigger shops. At a crossroads, there's a big store lit up with bright red letters. If you turn right here, Medusa is a few yards along on your left. If you keep straight on towards Minoos, you pass Acarma Show on your right.

The strip clubs open about 10pm, and Minoos shuts around midnight, so you have to be quick if you want a hot lap dance followed by a bargain fuck. When you come out of Minoos, there are late night bars if you continue round the corner from the north end of the street. There is plenty of accommodation here as well if you don't want so far to walk, for instance Daskalogianni St has several budget options, and right up to designer boutique places that are advertised online.

== Chania, quick tour ==
''(Punts by the author of this wiki section)''
All €30

Rea (No.14, mid-evening) good looking blonde, works hard enough but very mechanical and impersonal. Bossy too. Claimed to be Greek but attitude seemed Romanian. Found the attitude a turn off so watched the video while she sucked. Then pumped her a bit trying to imagine something other than an inflatable doll. A bit boring so left after about 10 minutes.

Went to Acarma Show. About 10pm. €10 entrance included vouchers for two drinks. Big place, dimly lit. Long dance floor with three poles. Strip shows finish with the girl topless. Girls not pushy. Private dances €25 for two songs, curtained off booths. First one was Ukrainian, Viktoria. Hands allowed everywhere. Nice suck of her tits. Second one, Sylvia from Slovakia, gets my shirt off and full-on snog with DFK. Gave her a good finger-fuck. Wanted to lick her cunt but she said only in VIP suite which is more private. Fuck that for a laugh at 150 an hour (150 with no explicit inclusion of sex). Both girls were slim, attractive, my preference. Gave polite knock-backs to the heftier ones. Went back to Minoos feeling slightly more enthusiastic about fucking there. Nice smell of the lap dancer on my fingers as I walked through the streets. Alexia's was shut (first time I had gone there was a queue). Tried No.19. Some ugly cow demanded through the grating: "Give me €50 and I'll open the door."

Instead, went in to Anna's, No.19. Romanian, average looks but seemed to have a genuine enough attitude so paid up €30. She walked into the room and I saw she was about to do a well-rehearsed routine so I said, hey, let's just relax and have some fun. Gave her back rub, licked her clit and finger fucked her a bit. Got into 69 and fingers in each other's arses. She did that shivery thing and and I think she probably had a small orgasm. She was in no mood to rush after that. Gave her a nice warm shag, must have gone well over time.

Popped into Medusa on way back, though not expecting much. €10 entrance including one drink. Small semi-triangular dance floor. About half the size of Acarma Show. Strip shows finish at topless. Some banter and take a €25 private dance (5 minutes). Full touching, but the girl didn't slow down her dancing long enough for proper fondling, so not that exciting.

Might be luck of the draw but Acarma seems better (though a less discreet entrance).

Next night tried Acarma Show again, private dance with Sylvia. Same routine except she's not wet enough for fingers inside. At Minoos, tried Emanoyolah, a 20y old, with no English at all, upstairs at No.11). Fairly shite. Too many funny faces and no-no's.

Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.

With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 euro places in Athens.

[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]

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2018-11-29T17:58:57Z

Dan: Quite a lot of the info is out of date though still useful. I’ve corrected the oft-repeated ‘Nigerian prostitute’ phrase which is almost urban legend (checked by recent personal observation).

=INTRO=

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=133301.msg1696192#msg1696192

'''Girls working in the streets:'''

There are plenty of Nigerian prostitutes on the Ramblas at night to be avoided (reputation for robbery); but there are also a mix of younger European women. As with any streetwalker scene, it is not for the unwary. Violence is unlikely but pickpocketing and intimidation may be more common.

Its completely different near the football stadium (Camp Nou) at night. In the summer starting around 22:00 until 2 am and in the weekends up to 5 am (depending on how busy it is). mind you, if there is a football match, there wont be any women.

You will find here young and often very pretty eastern european girls. I have attached a map and drew a yellow line where you will find these women. The area with the red crosses is an area you dont want to go to, unless you are into shemales. Stay on the yellow line and you will find real women. Prices 20 for a bj /30 for sex
Its easy to get there with the metro (green line) and some girls will service you while on foot in the nearby carpark, however a car is recommended.

'''Independent women and agencies'''

There are many independent women and agencies in barcelona and the prices starting at 50 euro for 30 mins and the average hourly rate is 120/130 euro. There are many sites where these ladies advertise, but I would recommend avoiding the classifieds sites like e.g. pasion, because of the many fake ads and the fact that its only in Spanish.
I dont know your level of the Spanish language, but these women often use slang and Google translate doesn't handle this very well. It can be very confusing e.g. A titty fuck is a corbata francesa which Google translates as a French tie :D

However if you do speak Spanish then sexomercadobcn is a good place to find women and if your level of Spanish is limited, you might want to try an app which is pretty popular over here in Spain and is called Blackbook App. It's basically Tinder but with escorts and doesnt require you to download or install anything ( because its a web app)
All the info here is in English,the only downside is that while this app looks great on your mobile phone, it does not on a desktop.
But hey when you are over in Barcelona you will probably browse on your phone for women and then you will this a very helpful tool.
Here is an example of the type of girls you can expect to find in BCN ;): https://blackbook-app.com/escort/barcelona/paula

The only thing that could be an issue is communicating with these women, most of the independent women only speak Spanish and their knowledge of English is pretty basic, but often just enough to setup a meeting.

As for the agencies, the communcation issue doesnt exist. The people answering the phones all speak English.
There are a few agencies that stand out in terms of quality of women and reliability. I would recommend Apricots (2 brothels), Felinas (2 brothels) or Angeles de Devorah (smaller agency, but nice women). All have a selection of attractive women and prices start around 120 euro per hour for standard sex. They will charge you extra for any special stuff.
And then there is Haima, which has 5 locations thoughout the city and the prices start at 40 euro for 20 mins. Too be honest not too sure what the quality of women is like and what you can expect, but if you are on a budget you might want to check it out. They have 150 women, so pretty sure there will be something of your liking.

='''INTERACTIVE MAP'''=

The link below leads to the "Mapa del Relax" by a local punting forum, an interactive map (slightly out of date) of the region showing the locations of the majority of brothels, massage parlours and stripclubs.

http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/mapa-relax-barcelona-t35949.html#post357095

='''Free WiFi that doesn't block access to escort sites'''=

'''Pans & Company'''
(Chain of fast food)

Everywhere in Barcelona
Locations finder
http://www.pansandcompany.com/en/where-can-we-find-a-Pans

'''Casa del Libro'''
(Chain of bookshops)
Locations in Catalonia
http://casadellibro.com/nosotros/nuestras-tiendas-cataluna/7

Two of their bookshops in Central Barcelona

Passeig de Gracia, 62

http://m.casadellibro.com/nosotros/tienda/passeig-de-gracia-62/4

and

Rambla de Catalunya, 37

http://m.casadellibro.com/nosotros/tienda/rambla-catalunya-37/35

(note WiFi connection considerably worsens the further you move from where the tills are)

=Barcelona=

==='''Brothels in Barcelona'''===

'''BROTHELS RUN BY APRICOTS'''

'''Arizala 74 (Apricots)'''
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| Carrer d'Arizala, 74, 08028 Barcelona
| (+34) 932 204 373
| https://en.apricots.es/whorehouse-barcelona-arizala74
| Badal (metro line 5)
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| 110 euros
| 90 euros
| 70 euros
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| The brothel is about 200 metres from F.C.Barcelona Stadium. Prior and after a home match it can be very busy.
Threads in UKpunting https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=118151.0
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! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
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| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/apricots-arizala-74-bcn-932201807-f121.html
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'''Corcega 252 (Apricots)'''
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| Carrer Còrsega 252A Barcelona , 08008
| (+34) 932 204 404
| https://en.apricots.es/whorehouse-barcelona-corcega252
| Diagonal (metro lines 3 and 5)
Provença (FGC rail network)
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| 110 euros
| 90 euros
| 70 euros
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{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/apricots-corsega-252-bcn-932203358-f253.html
|}

'''BROTHELS RUN BY DEVORAH'''

'''Los Ángeles de Devorah'''

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|-
| In Passatge Domingo (Close to Carrer Valencia/Passeig de Gracia) can't legally post full address cos they don't display it in their advertising)
| 636 644 682
| http://www.devorahsuites.com/angeles-de-devorah/
| Passeig de Gracia (metro lines 2 and 3) or Diagonal (longer walk) metro lines 3 and 5
|}
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|-
| 120euros
| 100euros
| 80euros
| "griego" (Anal) 50euros, duo-30min/150euros duo-1hour/250euros
| Monday to Saturday from 11:00 till 19:00
|}
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| By appointment only
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/angeles-devorah-passatge-domingo-x-bcn-636644682-608641924-f273.html
|}

'''Devorah Suites'''

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|-
| Junction Rios Rosas/Padua, can't legally post full address cos they don't display it in their advertising.
| 608193188
| http://www.devorahsuites.com/angeles-de-devorah/
| Padua (FGC rail network)
|}
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|-
| 120euros, duos:250euros
| 100euros, duos:150euros
| 70euros
| Anal: 50 euros, jacuzzi:30euros
| 11:00 till 21:00 (by appointment only)
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{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/devorah-suites-rios-rosas-1x-padua-bcn-608193188-f325.html
|}

'''Devorah Lux 173'''

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|-
| Carrer Viladomat 173, Barcelona.
|
| http://www.devorahsuites.com/devorahlux173/
| Rocafort (line1) and Urgell (line1)
|}
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|-
| 120euros
| 100euros
| 80euros
|
| Monday to Saturday from 11:00 till 21:00
|}
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|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/devorah-lux-173-viladomat-173-bcn-933259304-616003675-f341.html
|}

'''BROTHELS RUN BY HAIMA'''

'''Club Muntaner 101 (Haima)'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carrer Muntaner 101,
Barcelona
| 934 512 320/ 656 829 838
| http://haima.es/muntaner-101/
| Hospital Clinic (metro line 5)
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
| 100 euros
| -
| 60 euros
|
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/muntaner-101-bcn-934512320-f136.html
|}

'''Club Numancia 12'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carrer de Numància, 12
08029 Barcelona
| 933 219 701 / 665 654 875
| http://numancia12.com/?lang=en
| Sants-Estacio (major transport hub) Metro lines 1 and 3, and RENFE rail network.
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
| 120euros
| -
| 60euros
|
| Monday to Sunday from 17:00 till 5:00
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/665654875/numancia-12-barcelona-933219701-665654875-a-t9931.html
|}

'''Club Roma 112 (Haima)'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Avinguda Roma 122
Barcelona, 08015
| 675 878 583 / 93 451 91 18
| http://www.roma122.com/en/
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
| 130euros
| -
| 80euros
|
| Monday to Sunday from 17:00 till 5:00
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/club-avda-roma-122-bcn-934519118-f174.html
|}

'''Rosellon 315 (Haima)'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Calle Rosellón 315, Barcelona
| 93 476 20 21 / 665 852 096
| http://rosellon315.com/en/
| Verdaguer (metro line 5)
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
| 120euros
| -
| 60euros
|
| Monday to Friday 17:00 till 5:00
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/rossello-315-bcn-934762021-f184.html
|}

'''Urgell 150'''
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carrer del Comte d’Urgell, 150
Barcelona, 08015
| 934 536 956 or 665 619 316
| http://urgell150.com/?lang=en
| (closest one) Hospital Clinic (metro line 5)

Urgell (metro line 1)
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
|
|
|
|
| Monday to Sunday from 17:00 till 5:00
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/urgell-150-bcn-934536956-f137.html
|}

'''OTHER BROTHELS'''

'''Aribau 40'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Aribau, 40. Principal 2ª · 08011 Barcelona
| 93.451.53.91 - 655.943.664
| http://www.aribau40.com/index_en.html
| Universitat (metro lines 1 and 2) their web site also recommends Passeig Gracia or Catalunya but that's taking the piss IMO (quite a bit of a walk)
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
| 80euros
| 70euros
| 50euros
| Ménage à Trois

* 50€: 15min
* 60€: 20min
* 90€: 30min
* 150€: 60min
| Monday to Friday from 10:00 to 20:00
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
|
|}

'''CapriciBarcelona'''

They also run a brothel in the town of Vic, check CapriciVic in the "rest of Catalonia" section

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Sagrada Familia area, you're required to call to get full address
| 608654467
| http://www.capricivic.com/bcn-ing-agencia.html
| Sagrada Familia (line5)
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
| 120euros
|
| 70euros
|
| Monday to Saturday 11:00 till 23:00, Sundays + bank holidays 16:00 till 23:00
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/capricivicbarcelona-sagrada-familia-bcn-608654467-f283.html
|}

'''El Rincón de Lola'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| need to phone to get full address, is located in Rambla de Catalunya about 2 blocks before junction with Avinguda Diagonal
| fixed line 932389115 mobile 690131421
| http://rinconlola.com/en/escorts.php
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
|
|
|
|
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| https://www.sexomercadobcn.com/rincon-lola-bcn-690131421-932389115-f124.html
|}

'''FelinaBCN'''
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carrer de Can Bruixa, 42 B Barcelona
| 934 095 319 and 630 333 111
| http://www.felinabcn.com/en
| Les Corts (metro line 3)
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
| 130euros
| 110euros
| 90euros
|
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
| They also have a club in Valencia
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/felina-can-bruixa-42-bajos-local-bcn-934095319-630333111-f113.html
|}

'''La Suite de Felina (previously Sauna Cristal)'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Calle Tarragona, 177 2nd Floor - Barcelona
| +34 938 539 030 / +34 620 072 701
| http://www.lasuitebcn.com/en
| Tarragona (metro line 3)
Or (longer walk) Plaça Espanya (line 1)
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
| 160euros
| 130euros
| 100euros
| "The basic price of the sexual and partner service of all escorts includes an erotic shower, a sex session and a relaxing massage. For add-on services, the mistress herself will let you know her additional price"
| Open everyday, holidays included but can't find the opening hours
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
| Parking: "Direct access from the parking lot of Calle Rector Triadó 98. Anonymity and discretion thanks to a direct access through an unobtrusive door on the 2nd floor"
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/la-suite-felina-tarragona-177-bcn-620072701-938539030-f362.html
|}

'''La Vie en Rose'''
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carrer Rector Ubach 46, Barcelona
| 932 013 706
| http://www.lavieenrose.es/en/
| Muntaner (FGC rail network)
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
|
|
|
|
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/la-vie-rose-rector-ubach-46-bajos-bcn-932013706-f109.html
|}

'''Las Chicas del Pisito'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Very close to Paral·lel Station but you're required to call to get full address
| 646542642
| http://www.laschicasdelpisito.com
| Paral·lel (lines 2 and 3)
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
| 120euros
| 100euros
| 80euros
| Some do "griego" (Anal) for 20euros, some do soft domination, duos, rimming but extra charge depends on the individual girl
| ?
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| note most of those reviews where in their old location before they moved.
http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/chicas-pisito-bcn-646542642-f118.html
|}

'''Manoir de Plaisir'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carrer Aribau 48 1º 2ªB, Barcelona
| 604198539
| http://www.manoirdeplaisir.com
| Universitat (metro lines 1 and 2)
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
|
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|
|
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
| Map showing location http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/604198539/le-manoir-plaisir-aribau-4x-barcelona-604198539-a-t288759.html
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/le-manoir-plaisir-aribau-4x-bcn-604198539-f272.html
|}

'''Perla Negra'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carrer Entença 65 Bajos, Barcelona
| 93 327 82 94
|http://www.perlanegrabcn.com/en/escort-club-facilities/
| Rocafort (metro line 1)
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
|
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|
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|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/perla-negra-entenca-65-bajos-local-bcn-933278294-f116.html
|}

'''Top Damas'''
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carrer de Sant Eusebi, 68, 08006 Barcelona
| 936024849
| https://www.topdamas.com/en
| Sant Gervasi (FGC rail network)
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
| 110 euros
|
| 65 euros
| Check the FAQ, they can range from 30 to 80 euros
|
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
| Threads in UKpunting:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=74779.msg940282#msg940282
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/top-damas-sant-eusebi-68-bcn-931668040-f157.html
|}

==='''Live sex shows in Barcelona'''===

'''Bagdad'''
(+34) 934 420 777
http://www.bagdad.com/en/
Carrer Nou de Rambla 103 Barcelona

Paral·lel Station (metro lines 2 and 3)

==='''Massage in Barcelona'''===

'''Brahma'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carrer Industria, 17 Local (08037) Barcelona
| Teléfono: +34 932 07 67 80
Móvil: 617 151 332
| http://www.masajesbrahma.com
| I bit of walk in both cases...
Joanic (metro line 4)
Or Verdaguer (metro line 5)
Free parking available up to 1 hour, check comments for more info
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
|
|
|
|
| Monday to Saturday 11:00 till 21:00, Sunday and bank holidays closed
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
| Parking available for free (up to one hour) at Garatges SUB-WAY``
C/ Rosellón, 337 (corner with Paseo San Juan)
|}

'''Kanahura'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Gran Via de les Corts Catalanes, nº522
Barcelona
| 93 323 11 21 or 633 493 201
| http://kanahuramasajes.es
and ad with some pics http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/633493201/kanahura-masajes-gran-via-urgell-barcelona-933231121-633493201-blog-t264930.html
| Urgell (metro line 3)
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
|
|
|
|
| Monday to Friday 11:00 till 20:00
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
|
|}

'''Thai Centre (previously Wayang Centre)'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
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|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
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{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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|-
|
|}

==='''BDSM in Barcelona'''===

==='''Agencies in Barcelona'''===

'''Pecados VIP'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Info
|-
|

+34 634 221 598
http://www.pecadosvip.com/en/

For clients that wish incall they own a flat in Carrer Villaroel 229, nearest station Hospital Clinic (metro line 5)

Reviews (in Spanish)
http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/pecados-vip-villarroel-229-paris-bcn-612262265-f364.html
|}

'''Universitarias Catalanas'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Info
|-
|
(+34) 638 436 112
http://www.universitariascatalanas.com/en/

1 hour/250euros
90 minutes/350euros
2hours/450 euros
3hours/700euros
Overnight/1400euros

For clients that wish incall they do then in an apartment near junction Rambla de Catalunya/Carrer de Provença
Nearest Stations: Diagonal (metro line 5) and Provença (FGC rail network)

Reviews (in Spanish)

All the reviews by same punter

http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/universitarias-catalanas-bcn-638436112-f353.html
|}

'''Le Privée'''
687132918 - 931657915
http://www.leprivee.com/#

'''OMNIAEscorts'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Info
|-
|

(+34) 651 499 399 – (+34) 625 022 428
http://www.omniaescorts.com/en/

Reviews (in Spanish)
http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/omnia-escorts-agencia-bcn-625022428-651499399-f294.html
|}

'''DiamondGirlsBCN'''

34 640 281 535
http://www.diamondgirlsbcn.net/presentacion/4591775139

'''Lola Marti'''

http://www.agenciadeescorts.com

'''Sugargirls BCN'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Info
|-
| http://www.sugargirlsbcn.com/escorts-barcelona/

200euros an hour for either incalls or outcall.

For clients that want incall they own a flat near junction Carrer Balmes/Carrer de Llançà, not far from Gracia Station (FGC rail network)

Reviews (in Spanish)
http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/sugargirlsbcn-agencia-balmes-24x-laforja-bcn-634912495-f307.html
|}

='''Classifieds, directories, mischelanious'''=

In English

'''AdultBarcelona.com'''

http://adultbarcelona.com

'''GirlsBCN'''

http://www.girlsbcn.co.uk

'''Erosguia (English Language version)'''

http://en.erosguia.com/escorts-barcelona

In Spanish

http://www.pasion.com

http://mileroticos.com

http://nuevoloquo.com

=Near Barcelona=

===Baix Llobregat County===

Near the Airport

Castelldefels

Viladecans

===Maresme===

Mataro (19 miles from Barcelona)

'''Club Calipso'''
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| NII – KM.642 – Cabrera de Mar, Mataró
| 636148753
| http://calipsomataro.com
| None
|}
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! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
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|-
| 80euros
| -
| 50euros
|
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|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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|-
| Is a macro brothel, the place has been taken over by the people that used to run the very popular Club Riviera in Castelldefels.
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| https://www.sexomercadobcn.com/club-calipso-n-ii-642-cabrera-mar-mataro-636148753-f310.html
|}

'''Ragazza'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carretera de Cirera 63 - Mataró
| 633979725
| No web site but they advertise all over the place http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/633979725/ragazza-carretera-cirera-63-mataro-633979725-blog-t318242.html
| ?
|}
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|-
| 100euros
| 80euros
| 50euros
| duo 1hour/180euros, duo...30min/120euros
| 24 hours
|}
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{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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===Valles Occidental===

Sabadell (12 miles north of Barcelona)

'''Afroditas Sabadell'''

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! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
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|-
| Calle Sant Honorat 38 Sabadell
| 937 484229 -- 689 156049
| http://www.sexsabadell.com
|
|}
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| Open 24hours a day, 7days a week including bank holidays
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{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
| The same people that run Afroditas also run Venus Sabadell.
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/afroditas-sant-honorat-38-casa-sabadell-937484229-f135.html
|}

'''Venus Sabadell'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carretera Molins de Rei Nº33 Sabadell.
| 93 5469010 and 670 243552
| http://www.venussabadell.com
| Can Feu-Gràcia (FGC rail network)
|}
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{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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|-
| The same people that run Venus also run Afroditas Sabadell
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
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'''El Xalet'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carrer Coromines 49 casa 08202 Sabadell
| 93 722 06 53 - 686 84 09 32
| http://www.elxaletdesabadell.com
| Sabadell Plaça Major (FGC rail network)
|}
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! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
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! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
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|-
| 120euros but Sunday 9:00am to Thursday 9:00am 100euros
| 90euros
| 60euros but Sunday 9:00am to Thursday 9:00am 50 euros
|
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{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/xalet-sabadell-corominas-4x-sabadell-937220653-f125.html
|}

Terrassa (15 miles north of Barcelona)

===Garraf===

Sitges

===Valles Oriental===

Granollers (20 miles from Barcelona)

'''ROU Granollers'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
|
| mobile 688285080 fixed line 935157510
| https://www.sexomercadobcn.com/rou-granollers-granollers-935157510-688285080-blog-t308082.html
| Les Franqueses-Granollers Nord (Rodalies Renfe network)
|}
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|-
| 90euros (one cum)
120euros (two cums)
| 80 euros
| 60 euros
|
|
|}
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{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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|-
| https://www.sexomercadobcn.com/rou-granollers-primer-marques-les-franqueses-granollers-935157510-688485137-f305.html
|}

'''"FM97" Muñequitas'''

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! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Francesc Macià, 97 - Granollers
| 938707899
| http://www.granollers-munequitas.com/index2.html
|
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'''El Petit Plaer'''
In Canovelles, just outside Granollers

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! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
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|-
|
| 93 849 48 95 // 636 53 73 28
| http://petitplaer.com/index.html
| Granollers-Canovelles (RENFE rail network), they have free parking
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
| 120euros (full-service)
|
| 60euros(full-service) 40euros(massage)
| Jacuzzi 50euros
| 11:00 till 21:00
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
| Complicated pricing system http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/938494895/petit-plaer-canovelles-canovelles-granollers-938494895-blog-t63726.html
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/petit-plaer-canovelles-938494895-f154.html
|}

='''Rest of Catalonia'''=

==Central Catalonia==

Vic
40miles from Barcelona

'''CapriciVic'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carrer de Sant Antoni Area, you need to call to be given full address.
| 663287651
| http://www.capricivic.com/vic-ing-agencia.html
|
|}
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! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
| 120euros
| 100euros
| 60euros, or 70euros with pack(check extras link)
| To clarify when they say "natural French" they mean OWO, and "black kiss" rimming http://www.capricivic.com/vic-ing-tarifes.html
| Monday to Saturday 11:00 till 23:00 Sundays + bank holidays 16:00 till 23:00
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
| This brothel is extremely popular.
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/capricivic-vic-663287651-f112.html
|}

Manresa (45miles from Barcelona)

'''Manresa Relax'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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|-
| Carrertera Villadoris, you need to phone to get full address
| 602018352
| No web site, girls are advertised individually in the region Classifieds. Google phone number, this page in forum shows map and prices http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/602018352/manresa-relax-carrer-viladordis-manresa-602018352-a-t327968.html
| Manresa-Villadoris (FGC rail Network)
|}
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! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
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! style="background: #ccf;" |extras
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|-
| 120euros
| 90euros
| 60euros
| No idea, sorry
| Monday to Thursday 11:00 till 20:00, Fridays 11:00 until 21:00
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/manresa-relax-carrer-viladordis-manresa-602018352-f339.html
|}

==Girona province (the northern part of Catalonia)==

La Jonquera (on the border with France)

'''Club Paradise'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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|-
| W-A-R-N-I-N-G
The place had two serious incidents that made headlines...

Incident one

Using a girl with severe learning difficulties.

English language version of newspaper El Pais....
"Disabled prostitute rescued from Catalan brothel"
http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/07/12/inenglish/1373629963_565294.html

Second incident

A rival brothel owner did once arrange for a car bomb to be placed in Club Paradise's car park.

Again English language version of El Pais...
http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/01/08/inenglish/1357654212_114353.html
|}

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! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| POLIGONO INDUSTRIAL MAS MORATO AVENIDA EUSKADI, 7 17700
LA JONQUERA (GIRONA)
| +34 972 93 60 28
| http://clubparadisejonquera.com/en/
| No Stations, in an industrial estate in the middle of nowhere, you only get there by car
|}
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Figures (15 miles from the border with France) (85miles from Barcelona)

'''La Maison de Rosi'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carrer la Pau, 15, Figueres
| (+34) 691 703 525
| web only in Spanish and French http://www.maisonrosirelax.com
| -
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |1 hour
! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
! style="background: #ccf;" |30 minutes
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! style="background: #ccf;" |Open
|-
| 110euros
| 80euros
| 60euros
|
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{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Comments
|-
| Pictures of building + map in this thread http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/691703525/la-maison-rosi-la-pau-15-figueres-691703525-a-t276575.html
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Reviews (in Spanish)
|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/la-maison-rosi-la-pau-15-figueres-691703525-f257.html
|}

===Girona (the city)===

'''El Xalet de Girona'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Calle Riera de LLemana (Girona)
|666139078
| http://www.xaletgirona.com
|
|}
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! style="background: #ccf;" |45 minutes
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|-
| 100euros
| 80euros
| 60 euros
| Overnight 1000euros, duos from 100euros (presumably for 30min)
| 24hours
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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|-
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{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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|-
| http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/xalet-zona-decathlon-girona-666139078-f260.html
|}

===Costa Brava===

Blanes

Lloret de Mar

Tossa de Mar

==Tarragona Province (the southern part of Catalonia)==

Reus 60miles from Barcelona

'''PriveeSalou'''

{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
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|-
| Despite "Salou" in the name, the club is actually in the outskirts of Reus, about 5miles from the resort of Salou.
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |Address
! style="background: #ccf;" |Telephone (s)
! style="background: #ccf;" |Web Site
! style="background: #ccf;" |Nearest Station
|-
| Carretera C-14 Reus a Salou Km 3 , 43206 Reus (Tarragona)
| 977 75 75 78

| http://privee.es/web/
| Only by car
|}
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{|class="wikitable sortable" id="pw_scripter"
! style="background: #ccf;" |thread in a forum (in Spanish)
|-
| Long running thread (51 pages so far) discussing this club in a Catalán forum.
http://www.sexomercadobcn.com/privee-ctra-14-reus-t1283.html
|}

==Lleida Province (the Western and North Western part of Catalonia)==

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[[Category:Punting Abroad]]