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Guide to Punting in Greece

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=== General ===
SOURCES: The major internet resourceQUICK START (s) are in Greek, but If you can usefully be followed using find your way around the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. Athens etc)
GETTING AROUND'''https: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations//www. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs 9 Euros. Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easilybourdela. com/
COSTShttps: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic//www. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheapathenssexstudios. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give massively different exchange rates. Taxis are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athensgr/''' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 44 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Most things, even in shops, are price-negotiable.
Studios often have their own website. SOURCES: The major internet resource(s) are in Greek, but can usefully be followed using the Chrome browser with automatic translation. Bourdela.com includes details and ratings for hundreds of brothels and paid sex opportunities. It can be slow on a mobile phone due to the large amount of advertising. There are different English versions of things like street names so you might want a window open with each in Chrome to make sure links work but most will take you to a Googlemaps location. (It's easier to use than it sounds) GETTING AROUND: For punting in Greece, it is also helpful to have a map (eg Athens) that shows both Greek and English, and at least the Metro stations. The Metro is considered mostly safe apart from pickpockets, easy to use and very cheap. (Buy a single trip bus or Metro ticket from the airport then get a 5-day city pass once in town — covers metro, train, tram and buses and only costs about 8 Euros.) Technically-minded punters may wish to make a kml (private google map) to navigate locations easily.  COSTS: Greece is thoroughly European but also quite chaotic. Some things are the same price as at home whereas others are ridiculously cheap. Short-time sex is easily among the cheapest in Europe, starting at 10 Euros. Three cambios next to each other (eg next to Omonia station, Athens) can give different exchange rates. Taxis and Ubers are mostly honest and cheap to use just around town. There are express airport buses at Athens' Syntagma Square (6 Euros), or a Metro from the airport (10 Euros), or the standard taxi fare is about 46 Euros (it is quite a long journey from the airport.) Many things, even in shops, are price-negotiable. LANGUAGE: A lot of signs and street names are in Greek and English, but it will be helpful to know or get an idea of the Greek alphabet, quite straightforward, so you can understand place names in Greek. Street and place names may have more than one English translation. In restaurants, ask for an English menu. Many people speak at least a few words of English. Using a few basic Greek words like Hello (Yassas, or Yassou just to one person), Please (Paraklou) and Thank you (Efkaristo) will be appreciated when getting about. “Nai”, often pronounced “ Neh” means yes, …not No! The word for No is oxi.
WEATHER: It can be ridiculously hot in summer and ridiculously cold in winter. Plan accordingly.
==='''ATHENS'''===
=== Orientation === On most maps of Athens you can see a shape like an upturned "V" which is Omonia. From there, you have the Filis area (20 Euro) some way to the north (by the Metro stop, Victoria), ; and the 10 Euro area a short walk to the south-west, across from Metaxourgeio Metro. Omonia Square has many very cheap shops and restaurants (as well hooks and crooks on the look out for tourists). Omonia, the area just north of Omonia, and the 10 Euro area, also have some of the cheapest central hotels. The other main useful point of reference is Syntagma. Airport connections by bus or metro run from Syntagma and many tourist destinations (such as the Acropolis) are walking distance. Punting options are further to walk from Syntagma. Between and around Syntagma and Omonia are many central interesting places to walk, including the nicer areas of Plaka, Thisseo, and Antifioka, or the more boisterous Monastirakinightlife area. North of Omonia, easier walking distance to the Filis area is Exarchia, which has a late-night, hippified anarchic feel to it. For an upmarket late-night meal, head to Gazi (Metro, Keramikis, near Technopolis) or check it out during the day as it's an easy walk from some good studios and the 10 Euro pump-n-dump places. For a more sophisticated meal in a posh district, grab a taxi and try restaurants in Kolonaki area.
=== Brothels ===
There is rarely any pressure. Walk in, wait for the girl or girls to be introduced, take your pick, or say no thank you and try the next one. They tend to be clustered so it is easy to visit several or many brothels before making a selection.
20 EURO DISTRICT: White light brothels in the biggest category can be found in many areas, but 'brothel central' is located around Filis Street. On your map, follow the Green Line Metro slightly north of the city centre to Viktoria (Βικτώρια) Metro station. Filis (or 'Fylis') is two very short blocks (less than five minutes walk) west from Viktoria, parallel to the Metro line. Many brothels will be open from around midday or sometimes even earlier until very late at night. From Filis, explore the streets and many side streets going West (away from the Metro station). A new trend is occasionally trying to upsell an extra 10 Euros for touching and RO. If you tire of the long mamasan speech and know the score, just say “néh neh” (yes yes) to hurry her up. All are ‘independent’ — there is no rule beyond the 20 euros ‘normal sex’ which means OW and FS. Officially 10mins, longer if she likes you and isn’t too busy. Examples. Diane, Romanian, 65 Filis, says she’s new, full touching and fingering almost GFE. Emily, 11a Filis lane, Romanian, only accepts doggy position. Maria, 13 Fokias, Albanian, speccy, unrushed. Uncovered is rare, anal only if mentioned by the mamasan.
10 EURO DISTRICT: You can walk SSW from the 20 Euro area brothels to the 10 Euro area. It is centred around the area that includes Kolonou Street, and the small parallel street, Iasonos. On your map, find Metaxourghio (Μεταξουργείο) Metro Station and cross over the main road, Achilleos. Explore the side streets heading south (direction of Kermeikos station). These brothels are especially popular late at night as this is only a short walk from trendy upmarket nightlife districts. The streets can be unkepmt but not particularly dangerous. Annoyingly they are sometimes less crowded with foreigners and often much cleaner and safer-frequented by groups of Indian gentlemen who just seem to enjoy looking than the Filis area, as if it were an entertainment without buying anything. As with Filis, the better times seem to be early in the day. The 10 Euro area has scruffier rooms and some of the SPs often seem less relaxed.
Often there will be a sink to wash, very occasionally a shower. You may find yourself quite literally wiping off on the curtains though. If you are looking for something classier, go for the studios.
=== Studios ===
The next category is what are referred to as '''studios'''. These are a big leap up from the brothels. You can expect a more plush reception, description of the (usually luxurious) rooms and facilities, maybe a tour in some places, and a more sophisticated sales pitch (but without any pressure). Studios (eg Konstantinoupoleos 92a) are less numerous and less obvious than brothels, usually quite discreet although they may have the word 'Studio' near the front door. The cheapest ones are little different from brothels, but most will give you more of a luxury feel, a skilful prossie, often very good looking and with a sexy or even GFE attitude. Think of 40 Euros as a base price. Some are cheaper and at some you can pay quite a bit more. Everything is negotiable, including services, rates and time spent, so less cut-and-dried than the 'typical' AW experience but in a similar vein. Expect to pay around 50 Euros for half an hour, 80 for the hour. Some of the girls may have regular jobs in nightclubs and bars. (Procedure is same as the brothels but more upmarket: just walk in, wait for the girl(s) to be introduced, decide, yes or no. ) With a few exceptions, opening hours of most studios tend to be strictly daytime.
As with other types of venue, Bourdela.com is a good source of information and it allows you to check if it is up to date and read reviews. It's in Greek, but you can use Chrome browser or M$ web translate plugin or similar for instant English (though the Greek forum slang can be weird). You can also try http://www.athenssexstudios.gr/ which is easier to use and https://www.ierodoules.com. Between them you can get schedules, maps, photos and reviews.
Many studios tend to change address, so try to check the website before going out of your way. The better ones have a fully stocked bar,which may be complimentary or with a small charge for spirits. Some well-established ones fairly close to the centre include a group that includes Kassandras 4b and adjoining addresses, nearest Metros Kerameikos (Gazi) and Metaxourgeio, but if you don't want to walk a taxi or Uber will only be about 5 Euros from anywhere central. Even among the Kassandras group, there can be wide variation of quality at the same price. Another long-established studio often posing as massage is Sygrou 108 (Leof. Andrea Siggrou 108, nearest Metro Sygrou Fix).
=== Massage ===
The next category is massage. Not all massage places give punting services, just most of them. Massage spas, like the studios, have a plusher reception, but are usually decked out like a spa and description of services is non-specific (maintaining the 'spa' image) unless you ask. Prices vary from 50 Euros to over 100. 'Peiki', for instance, at 3rd September No.119, 4th Floor is €60 for '1hr'. Nuru Massage (nearest Metro Megaro Moussikis but bus or taxi recommended) uses genuine Nuru gel. They have a main and a 2nd address so make sure you know which one. Book via their website. http://nurumassage.gr/ Two buckets of nuru gel used on a water bed and fairly expert 'tantra' massage. HE standard but not usually FS (officially emphatically no) unless the masseur initiates it, in which case there is no extra charge. Was a very professional setup, excellent service from Nicole, Maria. More recently an incompetent Filipino, Adje, full body weight can leave you with backache and too eager to get you finished after 20mins. Also the ‘one hour’ is now officially 45mins and 15 for shower. A few doors down from FBI Strip Show.
Many massage places offer incredibly very good service though the masseuses are often not as young as in the brothels or studios. Unlike the brothels, which are multiplying, many studios and massage parlours are closing down, probably due to the economic climate. It may be well to check if they have a current website linked from bourdela.com and then look for a shift rota that is current. Whereas many brothels tend to be grouped in the same street, studios and massage joints may be isolated geographically except for those one or two near the brothels.
=== Strip clubs ===
=== Sex cinemas ===
(eg Karalou 8). Admission gives you an entrance ticket and a condom. Quality porn on big screen. Areas upstairs or to a side room for sex. May have a heavy gay clientele though. Downstairs advertises as a swingers venue though you need to be lucky to find much action. It’s a warren of interlocking passageways and rooms. Make sure you know your way out. This is one of the seediest streets in downtown Athens and not for the foolhardy.
=== Escorts ===
Some girls speak enough English for a conversation but otherwise you need Greek, or else stick to English-speaking tourists. Trendy areas attracting talent include Thissou (especially tourists) and Gazi (trendy Athenians). Badoo is a very popular social dating app in Greece. If you are there just for a short period it's best to set up meets in advance or as soon as you get there.
 
 
==='''THESSALONIKI'''===
The RLD district, a collection of studios, is centred on the junction of Frixou and Nikiforos Ouranou, and up to Empedokleous. Rates vary from 30 to 40 and above. Haggling down by 10 Euros is possible in some. This is slightly away from the centre. The easiest way to get there is by a No.31 bus, taxi or Uber. Contrary to some reports it is NOT close to the railway station. These are brightly lit, obviously sex establishments with names like Golden Lips. Most are enormous inside but generally only one girl working.
(GoogleMaps tends to show both the old and the new railway station: the RLD is close to the old one, but a considerable walk from the new one.) Many of the studios are listed on https://findgirls.gr
 
If you visit at night, the RLD looks hidden from the main road (called 26th October) which is where the bus drops you. The immediate end of Frixou is in darkness but not dangerous. If you try to walk from the SW area along Kolotti, the road off Monostiriou half a mile to the north, you will go through a short unlit road just after McDonalds. Again, safe enough though it looks dodgy.
 
The SWs, starting from Monastiriou, are few and far between and mostly unattractive. They can be found on the northern half of Kolotti and the roads parallel, as well as Giannitson, which intersects Kolotti.
 
MYTHS: Let’s get rid of a common fairy tale which has been endlessly repeated. It goes along the lines of, “walk directly out the main door of Train station, cross main road outside, turn to your left side, maybe take the first or second turn right after that. From the main road looking down you will see even in the day time some slightly faded Red Lanterns turned on outside some houses. If you walk down the street you can almost follow the circuit of them Clockwise back up to the Train station street where you started.” THAT IS ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS. The directions probably originated from the time of the old railway stations which, from the train tracks, would have been somewhere to the south and would have been a convoluted way of reaching the Frixou area described above. The present editor checked out the old directions just in case.. out of the main station door and cross the road turning left…brings you to a trio of coffee bars. Then a dirt track leading to nowt but a parking lot. The first road off to the right is Tantalou. Tantalou is a shopping area, nothing that could be a red or white light, on or off. A street that crosses at the right is called Sapfous. No RLD. The second street coming down from the main road is Prometheos. It’s also a shopping street. The area is mostly rebuilt small shops. Nothing special. If you go the end of Tantalou or Prometheos it simply takes you to a main road, Anagennisseos. It’s a main road fenced walled up on one side, shops on the other. A couple of places in a small street called Daimonos did could vaguely be described as a white light over them but they were multi-story occupied by multiple businesses, not PFP. So if you see the above quoted misdirection anywhere, please ignore.
 
STRIP CLUBS: there are many, mostly with a poor reputation and often empty until some sucker walks in. Open at 11pm or, one or two, at 10pm.. Fairly central to the east and south of the station (Rather than the southern tourist district). see GoogleMaps.
 
Getting around: GoogleMaps is ok but doesn’t seem to give public transport routes. The iPhone Maps app is somewhat better, for routes, not for times. To use a bus, just get on and stick a one euro coin in the machine (it’s actually 90cents but the machine doesn’t give change). It’s an honour system, so try not to look like a cheap tourist over 10 cents. There’s one central street starting as Monastiriou, which runs from the station, and changes its name as it curves round into the middle and lower part of the town. Thessaloniki doesn’t have a proper Metro, but one is being built and is scheduled to be operational some time in 2024.
 
ESCORTS: https://www.eurogirlsescort.com from about 100 Euros upward for an hour outcall.
===''SOME OTHER PLACES IN GREECE''===
* '''ThessalonikaThessaloniki:''' others have said try the Kamara district (historic area), suggesting ‘white lights’ there, tending to be a bit more expensive than Athens. Any personal updates please let me know on the wiki. Vadaris area has also been mentioned for white lights; again walking through this area I’ve seen no evidence of such.<br />
* '''Rhodes:''' about three blocks from Athanasiou Gate.
* '''elsewhere:''' Outside of Athens and Thessalonika, punting opportunities can be sparse or non-existent. The one exception is Crete.
Following day went to see Alexia at No.5. A petite 24yr-old Moldavian, she has a well-deserved reputation for good service.
With such a small number of doors in Minoos, it is easy enough to keep track of them by name. It is still a bit pot-luck, but on the whole the better ones seemed to offer a better more personal service than the @0 20 euro places in Athens.
[http://i.imgur.com/pgRoUf5.jpg Minoos]
Note that this Crete section may need updating.
==UKP Threads==
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=384794 48 hours in Athens] Sept 2023
* [https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=346505 Athens report] June 2023
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